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The Mormon case for gay marriage.
By William Saletan|Posted Monday, Dec. 10, 2012, at 11:10 PM ET
No religion has fought harder against same-sex marriage than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. In 2008, the church supplied as much as half the money and 90 percent of the early campaign volunteers to pass Californias Proposition 8. But this year, it ducked similar fights. And now its rethinking its advice about homosexuality. The Mormon case against gay marriage is beginning to collapse.
The latest sign is a new LDS web site, mormonsandgays.org. The site affirms the churchs ban on gay sex but offers several concessions. First, it acknowledges homosexuality as a deeply ingrained condition, often impervious to change. More than a dozen people tell their stories on the site, emphasizing the depth and persistence of their feelings. In a companion video, Todd Christofferson, one of the churchs 12 apostles, cautions that while some Mormons have felt a subsidence of same-sex attraction, others have experienced no change at all.
Second, the site says same-sex attraction should not be viewed as a disease. In fact, it presents as exemplars Mormons who embrace a homosexual identity. In one video, Ted, a convert, introduces himself: Im a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Im also gay. In another video, Suzanne, a young woman raised in the church, says: This is part of me, it is going to be a part of me, and Im OK. Judy, an older woman with a gay child and two gay grandchildren, declares, I cant think of a group of people I esteem higher or love more than those who are openly gay and fully active in our church.
In its text, the site concedes our common needs for intimacy and companionship. It includes, without comment, testimonials from at least two people who seem to have rejected the LDS policy against gay romantic relationships. But the church says it can go no further. Its Law of Chastity demands abstinence from sexual relations outside of lawful marriage. And marriage must be heterosexual, since, by divine design, both a man and a woman are essential for bringing children into mortality and raising them. In Mormonism, marrying and having kids isnt just a blessing. Its central to Gods plan for the universe. Thats why the church fought for Prop 8 and for many years counseled homosexuals to marry opposite-sex partners.
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hollysmom
(5,946 posts)We were sailing 24 hours a day. so we had shifts in the middle of the night. I could not sleep below deck, so I would talk to him during the late shift. It tore him apart, he came from Utah, he heart of the religion and his family was very religious/ When he came out to them, they shunned him,told hiom not to be gay. I was always a good listener, so he would just talk his heart out. It was so hard for him, he was so alone. He had just left and moved to Florida pan handle. I told him it was not the best choice of areas in Florida for acceptance, but let him talk for the most part. He did work for governments and had to be near the capital.
I do believe this was the only talk I had with any gay person about the personal suffering and this porr man was suffering very much, it was a gut wrenching story and brought out some compassion in me since I did not realize how hard it was for some to come out.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)on gay people, even if they smile while demanding it.
Have ZERO interest in their opinions or ideas about the world or religion.