the poster is referencing.

It sounds more like junior-high boys locker-room talk to me (or sports bar on the day of a hotly contested game). The sort of thing that I've learned to ignore because it is so juvenile that I'd grind my teeth to nubs if I paid attention to it.

That said, I can only see it from my perspective, which is not male. I'm just glad I'm not so much of a sports fan that I feel the need to hang out in that forum, because it seems to be imploding as the inmates take over the asylum.

When James stabbed Celevland in the back and went to Miami, trumad bragged about how they were so lucky to get him...most of us want nothing to do with James and said so...things really got out of control...there are about 270 posts and 30,000 views...every once in a while someone (me!) would kick it so it wouldn't die.

The OP was referring to a different OP....

It doesn't explain the term "suck it," or its coupling with the feminine hygiene product.

Consider: "Kiss my ass you jealous fucks!" or "Suck shit you jealous pukes!"

The message is the same, but the straight-male privilege has been removed.

of DU!

Your reply seems like a non-sequitur to me.

so a douchebag is, in colloquial usage, someone full of filth and body waste.

To be honest with you, also, I dont think of the term douchebag as a reference to a strictly feminine hygiene product; in fact, a douchebag can be used for hygienic reasons for either gender.

No disrespect intended here, but the members of the GLBT forum can never deny that the post which you find offensive is NOT offensive. Even if 99.999999% of members here disagree with you.

So that's how I see it. Cheers and peace!

Both of those are dishonest debate tactics. Aren't you above dishonest debate tactics?

Can you please explain how the post you reference shows male privilege.

I don't see it.

It is an insult that based on the notion that those who suck dick (some women and some gay men) are inferior to those who have their dick sucked. Otherwise, the phrase would not work as an insult.

Adding the insult "douchebag" seems to add the already, in my opinion, sexist/homophobic phrase.

Does that mean I think he is inferior to me? Honestly man, there is being sensitive and culturally aware and then there is just being silly.

If it doesn't mean that, then what is the joke? Why is "suck my cock" an insult? Think about it.

At least, as intended. It's not that I don't understand that it's a timeworn popular insult/putdown; it's rather I feel sort of like, by feeling offense, I am rendering legit such expressions of homophobia and misogyny.

Does it represent straight male privilege?

Not really. It represents some ignorant hillbilly way of looking at the world. I am not a hillbilly, and I am not ignorant.

I guess taking offense at that, to draw an imperfect analogy, is somewhat like a member of the Hilton family complaining that some European socialists employ "capitalist pig" language. How sympathetic would you be?

In other words, don't give bigots the opportunity to spread their shit all over the place. Kind of why I always object to people who post links to Free Republic. I KNOW people on that board are homophobic; I neither need to be reminded of that, nor do I need to see what crap they are spewing about gay people today.

Anyway, hope that makes some sense.

I am asking people to recognize the phrase for what it is.

I don't even know what he or the underlying thread are referencing.

so then I asked myself, 'Is "suck it" prejudicial or biased?', and I can't say that I think it is necessarily. It could be in a specific context, but there isn't such a context here, that I can see.

I don't see what your problem with sports is.

and finding potentially sexist or homophobic statements acceptable?

I asked about a comment, and you see it as an attack on sports. That is really interesting to me. What is the connection?

Suck it is as vanilla you can get as an insult.

I saw it as an attack on sports, because I have no earthly idea what you found insulting.

then you think they must be attacking sports?

I explained the reason in the OP. If you read it, then you know my reason.

And not the absolutely harmless phrase "suck it", I shall be careful to avoid this in the future.

Also you edited your original post, it didn't have the explanation when I first read it.

but I am not sure that the comment representing an example of straight male privilege actually means anything. I suppose it provides another example of the subtle ways in which we live in a society where a WASP male is still privileged above all others. But I think we knew that already.

Usually if someone says that in my presence, I merely say, "Well, thanks for the offer. Whip it out and we can get started right now."

Or anything to be frank. None of these words are exclusive to straights or males.

IMHO it's in the eye of the beholder not the commenter.

Why is "suck it" an insult, or a joke insult? If it is not based on sexism and homophobia, as explained in the OP, then what is the joke?

What their intent was instead of assuming, IMHO. All we could do is guess their intents. As for the general statement "suck it" or "suck my dick"... I stand by what I stated. It isn't sexist because guys suck plenty of dick too. And douchebag isn't sexist either because both men and women use them for the same reason. As for homophobic, I don't see either as homophobic because sexuality doesn't determine whether either actions are undertaken.

That is why it is also homophobic.

If I am wrong, then tell me what the phrase means. The intent is not what I am talking about, I am talking about the meaning of the phrase. If I am wrong, then the explanation should be easy.

>>An expression peculiar to or characteristic of a particular language, especially when the meaning is illogical or separate from the meanings of its component words.<<

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/idiom

To me, "suck on it, you jealous douchebags!" is saying in a lighthearted way, "We're #1! We're #1! And you aren't, losers!"

but what I am saying is the phrase is based on the bigoted premise that those who suck dick are inferior to those who have their dick sucked.

My point is that it can't be sexist or homophobic because a multitude of sexes and orientations suck dick and douche.

(Never thought I'd say that on DU.)

No one group is being stereotyped. Everyone is equally qualifying for the two groups so no one is being singled out or excluded. Thus no sexism or homophobia IMHO.

I said it was both sexist and homophobic, then you said how can be it sexist if some men suck dick, then I explained, now you are saying how can be homophobic if some women suck dick?

"No one group is being stereotyped."

Are you kidding me? I have been mentioning two groups this whole time, not one. Two, as in one group plus another group. 1+1=2. Group one: women, group two: gay men. Women plus gay men equals two groups. I feel like you are just fucking with me.

How can a comment be homophobic if it doesn't discriminate against LGBT people? How can a comment be sexist if it doesn't discriminate against people based on sex?

Otherwise, it wouldn't work as an insult.

If I used the phrase, "you can all look at my forehead," then that wouldn't make any sense, because all seeing humans see foreheads. It does not play off of established cultural, human hierarchies.

Why does it imply that sucking a dick a bad thing? Why does it imply that douching is a bad thing (frankly I'd say it's an important thing as a gay male).

In reality it is just a phrase that is used without thought to meaning. Like son of a bitch or god damn it. Hell I say god damn it entirely too often for an atheist, but that's because the phrase is a place-setting for what I really mean nothing else.

I don't even know why I'm arguing about this. I don't care at all. It was a stupid post for them to make. And nothing will come of arguing about it.

So I'm done. Have the last word. But more importantly have a great evening!

If the phrase didn't consider it bad, then it couldn't work.