I have no doubt that there is a double standard as you suggest. I'm just wondering about the specifics that got you to post.

Gays and minorities take a backseat to the Obamas and the Democratic party. We're a big tent party as long as you don't upset the apple cart. Keep your little pet issues like equal rights and civil liberties to yourself.

You expect her to stand there while the little people ask for their rights?

Sorry, I am sick of these two needing to be pushed and prodded on the most basic of ideas, the idea of equality. Of all people you would think those that benefited from civil rights fights before would understand.

Apparently you can scream and do all you want for your civil rights as long as it is not "our" president.

they are willing to sell us out in order to not look "rude" to themselves.

Rude? There is nothing rude about interrupting a political speech. I don't care who it is, it is how we are structured. I am not, of course, speaking to you, you know this.

I am so sick of this constant protection of "our" or "my" president. I find the entire use of the possessive odd, creepy and disturbing. When "your" president does not support you are you suppose to just sit down and shut up and let it slide? "MY" president? Good lord that is just creepy.

I need to not say much more. I am angry and a little drunk having finished off my wine bottle rather than putting it away . I don't know this place anymore. I am so terribly sorry this is happening. I don't get it, this is not anything I am used to dealing with. My "side" has become as difficult as "their" side.

locked post over repeating verbatim what the poster above me said. Somehow I was being ""rude" but the poster I was replying to -- who posted the exact same words was not. Im taking a break, this place sometimes just is not worth it.

I can't take it. I don't know where all the stupid came from ( I have my ideas) but it is not compatible with what I consider liberal thought. I post less and less as the years go by. It saddens me but it is what it is.

What you have just recounted to me is absolutely wrong. There are people here that do not belong here. Sadly these days I think more and more it is people like you and me.

We are losing too many good people, too fast! Don't leave me here all by lonesome! I got anti-Semites to battle too! C'mon!



(BTW, that is why in my post below I said Free State's post has taken on a double meaning, whether he intended it or not.)

and check on things. Often I don't look for long. If I can keep myself to the Latest Page or read a story and no commentary I am OK. Nothing makes me angrier than to see nothing but time wasted and brains wasted without any point except to support someone even if you totally disagree and then to try to talk others into that same kind of support and call those who are the victims of it out for wanting too much. LGBT, women, so many others are thrown under the bus all so the undying love and support can continue. What a sad state we are in and little is being done to address the things that really matter or the things that are really killing this country and the planet.

I did get your double meaning. Hang in there, I don't know how you do it.

I hope you are not getting flooded. Up here my little area is getting enough rain to make for a great crop but not enough to fill the ponds back up. For some reason this little area is dryer than all the area around it Can't complain except I would love to look out my window and see my big pond full again Take care down there.

+1

and too little real information or discussion.

Remember what an education in politics and history and current events a person could once get here? Now we basically have a Yahoo message board for people who gush over politicians the way little girls go on about Justin Bieber.

It's sad to see what has happened to this place.

I got schooled early on when I first started posting. I knew what I was talking about but certainly did not understand the ins and outs of things. It took me a long time to actually get comfortable posting and I almost never start a thread. BUT I read and read and read and learned so much. I also fought and fought and fought for what I see, and can hardly accept that other "liberals" can't see, as the most important things this country needs to work on so that all people have an equal footing with which to seek that happiness we are all striving for. The stress of this shock doctrine type of governance and now a way of life is eating away at everyone. I am stunned to see so many responding to it with worship and "I will never stop loving you no matter what you do you are MINE" fealty to our government. Notice how often the use of MY president or OUR president is seen, many times in capital letters. We don't ever even disagree and fight about the issues anymore, it always seems to come down to support of the president. *sigh* Sorry, did not mean to go on like that.

I stop in every few days to read up on some things and occasionally will post a few times but then I am out of here.

"How do you know so much about politics?" I would tell them about DU.

Now, I stop by to read the headlines, but I would never recommend this place to anyone who is really looking for an education, much less a community.

The daily outrage wars are too embarrassing for me to recommend this site to anyone anymore.

Fascinating piece of info there, so I guess it's not really fair to say that one can't learn anything interesting here anymore.

I rarely post here anymore. I drop in to read the headlines and scan GD - and today I couldn't help noticing the number of threads about this incident. Reading the threads, I see all the usual suspects - the ones who over the years have always been the ones telling gay folks to sit down and shut up, while claiming that they love us, they really do - no surprises here at all.

It's pathetic.

I don't like hecklers or these type of actions. Outside an event, fine by me. However, I notice a GLARING difference when the topics differ. Sure, Obama is the President, and Mrs. Obama is the first lady, so not exactly the same thing. However, is it unreasonable to expect the first lady to have the ear of her husband. Sure, it doesn't always work out (ask the Jews about Roosevelt), but it can't hurt to try. People say..."oh she's the first lady, she doesn't have any power!" Well, then why was she at a political fundraiser?! If you are going to raise funds for politics or a politician, then you should be prepared to answer for those politics/politician.

It disgusts me that supposed liberals/progressives have no fucking problem pretending we (GLBT) have no right to speak up about our rights, but are damn sure expected to put out the money when needed, as well as vote.

She was at a fundraiser because she's a big draw, and her 'power' in that forum is just that; she can help raise money.

Ms. Obama was invited to speak; Ms. Sturtz was not. And she was addressing an important issue, despite the fact that it was NOT the issue Ms. Strutz wanted her to address.

How would you react if Michelle was speaking about GLBT issues, and was interrupted by someone who wanted her to address the plight of inner-city children instead?

There are no liberals/progressives here who are "pretending the GLBT community have no right to speak up about their rights". None.

There are hundreds of incredibly important issues we face as a nation right now, and GLBT rights is certainly one of them. But it's not the only one.

Speaking to any one of those issues is NOT in any way dismissive of the others, nor is it appropriate for anyone to insist that when Michelle Obama speaks to one issue, she should be stopped mid-speech and address another topic entirely.

As I said, I'm sure if Michelle had been addressing GLBT rights and had been interrupted by a heckler, your opinion would be exactly the opposite of what you're saying now.

The FLOTUS has no political power, but she does have power, which is why she was asked to speak. She was on a "soapbox" and it means she is delivering a message, and therefore, the potential for those speaking out against it or on something else exists.

"As I said, I'm sure if Michelle had been addressing GLBT rights and had been interrupted by a heckler, your opinion would be exactly the opposite of what you're saying now."

If the exact same thing had happened, I'd STILL be applauding the protestor for standing up for GLBT equality even DURING a GLBT Rights address. Is GLBT equality an inconvenient topic for you?

Sorry

I was in no way talking about someone interrupting a speech on GLBT rights in order to say something about GLBT rights - which doesn't even make any sense.

I am asking whether a heckler interrupting a speech on one topic in order to demand the speaker address a different topic makes a difference as to how one views the heckler's behavior.

I raised the point because I wondered if people were judging Ms. Sturtz' behavior based on the behavior itself, or based on the issue she was attempting to have addressed.

If the person making the speech is moving TOO SLOW, for example.

How do you separate the "behavior" vs. the message?

about a speaker going too slow, not getting to the point, etc.

But that wasn't the intent of my question. I was talking about someone interrupting one topic in order to get the speaker to address a different topic entirely.

I think one can separate the behavior from the message. Example: You might be really pissed-off if someone interrupted a topic you were keenly interested in, but feel completely differently if that same person interrupted a topic you were bored with in order to have the topic changed to something you were more interested in.

In those situations, people might see the same behavior of interruption as rude in one instance, or welcome in another, depending on the topic of discussion.

It was a private fund raiser (that everyone in attendance paid via an invite to attend). She wasn't making a public statement on anything. People were there to see her speak on any topic, it was a fundraiser for the party not for the topic she was addressing at that moment.

That being said, the whole purpose of heckling is to be rude to the point that the press covers the topic. It looks like it worked too.

Contrary to some comments on DU that say it was rude to heckle her, I'd like too point out that there is not such thing as polite or kind heckling - it would defeat the point.

Just curious if you knew that he had promised to sign an executive order and had failed for 5 years to do so before this event?

said or didn't say, promised or didn't promise, has nothing to do with the query I've posed in my OP. Absolutely nothing.

If you'd like to discuss what I've posted in my OP, I am more than happy to do so.

But I (not unlike Michelle, as it somewhat ironically turns out), am not obligated to change the topic I've posted about in order to discuss what you want to discuss instead.

If you think the topic you want to discuss has merit, I suggest you post it as an OP and invite discussion on that point.

I was curious as to weather it enlightened anyone or it went over their head.

By the way - I started the OP not you! Look at the top. You replied to my OP not the other way around. THis is a safe heaven group for the lGBT community - stop attacking me for asking a question in my own thread.

I have been responding to posts on my own OP all day - and assumed that your reply was another one in that thread.

Color me Blush Pink -

And I really DO apologize for not being more cognizant of who I was responding to, and in what context.

Now that I have reoriented myself (as to which thread I was responding in), my statement still stands.

What President Obama did or didn't say, do, or promise has no bearing on the fact that the FLOTUS was an invited speaker at a private event. Ms. Sturtz was NOT an invited speaker, and had no right to demand to be heard.

Your OP asserts that "Get Equal did nothing that has not been done in the past over and over by democrats for civil rights."

If you have any links to Democrats heckling any previous Republican First Ladies at private fundraisers, I'd like to see them. Doing so has never been a "standard protest method".

As much as you might want to dispute it, context and circumstances DO count.

Had Ms. Sturtz heckled the President at a public gathering, this would be a different discussion. But she didn't.

Splitting hairs between POTUS and FLOTUS is disgusting in this context. They're either a political power couple (as the Barack Obama Group of hagiographers seem to want is to believe) or they're not. If not, then why was she invited?

You should be ashamed of yourself!

because it was a fundraiser, and she's a big draw.

If you don't know the difference between an elected president and his non-elected, non-office holding wife - well, I really don't have the time to explain it to you.

It was June 3, 2008 at the Excel Center in St. Paul MN. It was the night he clinched the nomination for the Democratic Party's Presidential candidate. Note who is with him. If we're to leave her out of it, she should perhaps leave herself out of it!

HE clinched the nomination.

Michelle, on the other hand, was not nominated - for POTUS, or anything else. She was there as his wife.

Either she's to be left out of it, or not. I guess she's not, based on her OWN behavior.

is not getting a government paycheck, and has absolutely no official role in this administration probably isn't the best tactic.

Heckling Congress, on the other hand, would not be getting any of the "double standard" posts. Go right ahead, those intransigent old farts need it desperately and they do have the power to pass necessary legislation.

Also, if one is going to raise funds for politics/politicians, then they should be prepared to answer for those politics/politicians. That said, I don't care for heckling and find these displays non-productive. It is true she is not an elected official and may have no "official" role, as in setting policy, but she does serve as "First Lady" and she does, for all intents and purposes, have the ear of one of the most powerful men on the planet.

Look at her paycheck.

Pillow talk is hugely overrated.

I would have thought better. She was there to raise money. Whats not official about that?

has a lot more pull than 'pillow talk'. I find the term 'pillow talk' pretty offensive between a husband & wife who've been working together for years. Makes her sound like some weekend prostitute.

I'm not a big fan of heckling anybody. I tend to think that it does more harm than good. And I'm a strong supporter of Bradley Manning. I believe in whistleblowing and I believe that sometimes it's our moral duty to do things that are "illegal."

What angers me is that the heckling incident was jumped on by a bunch of DUers who have a long history of attacking LGBT people and their allies, and the many threads of handwringing over the incident are filled with posts like the one mentioned in the OP. Did you read the post at the link? A DUer posted to a gay DUer that he "has plenty of rights." Another DUer told a gay DUer to "shut the fuck up" and the post was not hidden, but the retort from the gay DUer that cut and pasted the same words was hidden. In other words, gay people have enough rights, and straight DUers are allowed to tell gay DUers to shut the fuck up but if one of us queers responds in kind we'll get our post hidden.

The discussion on DU today is not about whether or not it's right to heckle a First Lady. This "discussion" is nothing but a free-for-all opportunity to kick gay DUers in the teeth over and over again, including the vast majority of us who didn't express an opinion about the heckling one way or the other.

(good to see you BTW!)


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I will if it hasn't been done yet.

No surprise there.

What the fuck is going on with the jury system.

Maybe we'll get a better - meaning slightly smarter than a box of rocks - jury this time.

Once a jury votes on a post, thats it (no recourse).

This "community standards" jury system does not work for minorities. We can be lashed out against and the moment we speak back we are silenced. Skinner has known about this for a while, years, I see no actual work on his part to correct it (and allowing threads were can vent is not addressing the homophobia on DU).

I have nothing against the Obamas - whatever my differences with them RE: policy, I find them likable enough on a personal level. But the unquestioning hero worship, and more so the demand that others do likewise, leaves me downright incredulous. And check out the low-count poster putting folks on Ignore at the slightest provocation!

I saw in that thread exactly what I expected to see in that thread nothing more, nothing less.

It's as simple as this you are either for equality all the time or your just rally don't give a shit and are only for it when you want a pat on the pat on the back to make yourself feel good. There is no middle ground and people who think there is are delusional.

And politicians (and their wives) are worse at it than regular folk. I wished she would have given up the mike and walked out (I for one don't need the lip service). And as to her having no power as so many people have stated in that thread then why was she even there and why would it matter if she walked out or not? Money thats why. With Money comes power. I saw a lot of stupidity going on in that thread, no not ignorance plain old stupidity from what we see on a daily basis from the right (I even saw a couple of their plays right out of their very own play book used.

Our civil rights is a fucking game to them and to those who support them blindly. Thats what it boils down to.

You either support me and my family 100% for equality or you can go fuck yourself. Yes I'm plain spoken and people will just have to deal with it.

you can go fuck yourself."


I feel the same way, Bill. I'm thinking about stealing that and making it my sig line.

Short and sweet huh?

"People with no empathy anything is permitted. Morality becomes very subjective and flexable" <--- exactly

And yet its very offensive. Very patronizing too.

For decrying the Obama worship around here.

You're right. There is genuine personality cultism around here. But one must never say so.

Denying Gays Equality - A-OK!

There's a cult of personality, sure. And those who participate in the cult tend to be more conservative, because, after all, it's hard for a very progressive person to be particularly enthusiastic about Obama. But would a person who is primarily interested in defending the president say that gay people have enough rights? Would a person who is solely motivated by a cult of personality state that gay people should stop asking for more rights because we can already do anything that's legal, even get married in some states? Those statements are not reflective of defending the president, they're reflective of the posters' contempt for gay people.

I do not so much understand the personality cult. Of course, Obama being President is the best thing that ever happened. No, this is not the least sarcastic: It is the best thing and the most progressive thing that ever happened to the US. Whole Europe and other countries sighed in relief; and I even remember the rather conservative newspapers here describing the end of Bush as 'the end of a nightmare.'

Still, it's the political system you have there that is very stuck. Two parties; compromises almost impossible. They can block each other forever and ever. That's how it is.

While I do believe that Obama is in full favour of marriage equality, his strategy is still timid and withholding, seeking for bi-partisanship, which he just won't get. So I really hope that the State legislators will bring in one state after the other in favour of equality. That might send a message.

As for this poster, I just replied to them. I agree fully on the contempt shown. It's actually disgusting, but I've seen so many on here. That's like saying, 'what are you complaining about? There are drinking fountains for you. There's a sign above it that says 'Gays.'

He's not particularly progressive in any area, but that's neither here nor there on this issue. This thread is about the blatant homophobia being displayed by a bunch of our old friends, culminating in being called racists right here in this protected forum.

It's very late here, but I'll go through this thread and related.

Are you the one who's a host of a hate site? If so, got a link? I need a new place to hang out.

I host at a site which is no longer really functioning, a post here and there (30 in 6 months). It is a "hate" site because we don't believe Israel is the bane of all evil and should be destroyed or that Jews are evil. It is one of the reasons these type of posters follow me around the site.

ETA: It is mainly about Israel, but "fag bashing" is not allowed.

based on what i've seen around here

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Most are exactly the very ones one would expect it of, too.

Few surprises today.

I see some of our old "friends" are ramping up the "GLBT group is racist" crap again. I guess the "viper pit" is open for business.

with standing against your equality but being supportive of civil rights for others? Sure they do.

"7"

I think that sums it up pretty nicely.

That comment just took my breath away.

I'm very surprised to find myself posting here today. I've rarely posted on DU for months. Waste of time.

was in place and I had participated I saw no need to alert. I don't post much here either. I miss it but yes, it is sadly a waste of time. It is really good to see you, I am glad we are at least posting on the same day

That was a stunning post. Wow.

And it should be the same answer here. We shall see.

as I'm not an Obama Worshipper.

probably very ineffectively but mostly because I have been saying I thought the heckling was OK and I did not want the "mountains of DUers" to be those of us who are not LGBT and you having to deal with the fallout by association.

Fixed an error

When NOM is handing out paychecks for astroturfers to blanket DU and other sites with the accusation that all gay folks are racists, things like truth and facts are just brushed aside.

I do. I do not generally like heckling. I do think the heckler woman could have handled herself better. However, I also think Obama could have handled herself better. As one poster put it in a GD thread, it was as if she was saying "Do YOU know who I AM??" And then threatening to leave, sort of punishing everyone because of one person's actions. I would have been insulted by that if I was in this $500 a pop crowd, not applauding her.

What really really irked me in the GD thread going around now was that in order to really make the incident even more divisive, some posters have resorted to "pulling rank" and inject race into the matter, to somehow lessen the lesbian woman's civil rights plight and accuse her of racism. When you start pulling rank in matters of civil rights, claiming that yours are more important than theirs, instead of them all being of equal importance, you lose all grounds for making a cognizant argument. To deflect legitimate cries for gay equality by trumping the race of the Obamas is disgusting and DU should be ashamed of itself. But then again, I am one "teh gay" too so my opinion still takes a backseat around these parts it seems.

Today's DU reminds me quite a bit of DU circa November 2008. I'll say no more.

Because let's see here.

Michelle Obama is a black woman who has no legislative, judicial, or executive power at all. She gets heckled, and mountains of DU'ers cheer for it.

Innumerable white male lawmakers, judges, and executors actively promote an anti-gay agenda, and go unheckled, with nary a peep of disappointment from the same DU'ers.

You aren't pissed off by double standards. You're pissed that the absurdity of your own double standard is being called out.

Because I don't see it. I see the usual homophobic libel that we're all racists who are cheering for Ms. Obama to be heckled, but I don't see many posts actually supporting the heckling.

For instance, I am on record here in this forum as stating that I disagree with heckling on principle. You won't see a post from me supporting the heckling. You will see posts from me noting that a bunch of homophobic DUers are claiming that all gays are racists again. Yawn.

Plenty of people in the thread the OP linked. Just got done rolling my eyes at Quinnox's silly poll. Read several others.

I'm not saying "all gays are racists," but nice try. I'm saying that supporting heckling against a black woman with no power to change the situation, while ignoring the white men who are the cause of the problem is what's not only racist, but misogynist.

Oh, for the record? One of the posters in this thread is in fact a moderator on a racist hate-site. So just keep that in mind when you start thinking everyone defending Ellen Sturtz is pure as the driven snow.

Well done, Sir, well done!

wow they're really scraping the barrel now, aren't they? In a previous post to this OP, I had mentioned how people like that like to inject divisiveness by "pulling rank" and placing their civil rights above others, rather than keep all in an equal footing. The example I had mentioned was a question of race, with DUers accusing the heckler of being racist. But now, we're misogynist to boot!! Shame on that privileged white lesbian for voicing a cry for her civil rights (admittedly not the best medium (heckling)to accomplish it IMO but thats beside the point) she was clearly trying to inflict her white privilege on the totally apolitical first lady!!

that I prove that I'm not a bigoted white misogynistic racist queer by publicly repudiating "the gay community" for their vicious attack on the First Lady. I've been told to post in GD that I am opposed to the heckling....or else.

It's nauseating.

I'm not in the mood.

Calling LGBTers misogynistic and/or racist has no place here.

I missed that. When did a white man replace Barack Obama as the person who issues Presidential executive orders?

I applaud her courage for speaking out on this issue. Sometimes you have to be employ some civil disobedience to get your point across, just like the Monday sit-in protestors in North Carolina.

would include me you should know, I am an ally not LGBT. Don't lay it on them.

Personally I am not a fan except when there is no other recourse, and this seems to be the case here. Only my opinion but then I enjoy a little stirring up of the complacency of the haves.

But then, we already knew that more than six DUers are out and out homophobes.

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Oh boy. Same old boring accusation that all gay DUers are racists. Very few DUers, gay or otherwise, are supporting the heckling. This thread (in a protected forum) is discussing homophobia. Please hide this post from a visitor dropping in to call us all racists. Thanks.

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Thank you.

by this but I am. Sad and surprised.

....is why I don't do DU anymore.

Jeezus. I poke in after months away, and find this shit.

Gay people, People who oppose never-ending war, never ending imprisonment without trial, People who dont like wire-tapping by the Federal Gov, or pipelines and fracking ruining our environment, for selling our energy resources overseas....People like some of us ......You know..LIBERALS!
DU is not for us.

Don't clutter your ignore list with me. I'm GONE.

you are needed (even if I'm less active now)

... who send you the free pamphlets you request from the government.

You want to bring-up gay rights, you bring it to President Obama or someone in the Justice Department.

If you want to heckle Michelle Obama, it should be something to do with her nutrition program.