It is appalling how much ignorance and hatred is present on DU nowadays.

have always been bulletproof.

It's a DU tradition.

I posted the other exchange here in this thread.

Please tell me that harassment is not acceptable if the harassee is LGBT. That is disgusting.

They've huffily told me to stop responding to their harassing PMs.

is to post the PMs in a thread.

They seem undeterred by my rude accusation that they're astroturfing for NOM, and persist in the fiction that I've attacked Michele Obama for something (link?) while ignoring white male bigots (????). Anybody who knows me might find this rather amusing.....


Scootaloo
Re: Re: Would just like to know...

What is NOM?

Who / whatever it is, no. I'm simply trying to figure out what you would call such a situation, since you apparently don't like having it called racist or misogynist.

Michelle Obama is simply not a valid target for such "activism." She has diddly-squat to do with it, and the most she can offer one way or another is her own personal opinion - which she has done: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama#LGBT_rights

So why go after her? Why advocate heckling her? Why do so while turning a blind eye to white male lawmakers causing the problem? Do you see the problem here? Can you see the problem here? Can it sink through your head where the real, actual "double standard" is? That white men should be immune from liability and criticism for their anti-gay advocacy, legislation, judgements, and execution of laws, but it's fair, admirable, and laudable to give a heap of shit to a black woman with no such authority over the issue despite her stated support for your own position?

You want to avoid this by ludicrously saying I'm claiming all LGBT DU'ers are racists. I wasn't aware you were an elected spokesperson for all of them, but even if you were, I rather doubt most, or even many of DU's LGBT community are of the opinion that it's awesome to attack a black woman who is an ally, while ignoring the white male lawmakers who are the problem. It seems to be a belief that is exclusive to a few posters in particular rather than the group as a whole.

But as I said, I doubt we're likely to crack each other's shells on this.


> Does NOM give overtime pay when you send unsolicited PMs to people you're attempting to astroturf?
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> > If a person holds that ignoring anti-gay white male legislators in favor of going after a black woman who holds no control or authority over civil rights legislation or decisions, what exactly would you call such a person?
> >
> > I've got no idea at all what "every LGBT DU'er" thinks or feels (I suspect you don't, either), but I know that any person who maintains the above is probably both a racist and a misogynist.
> >
> > I did point out one LGBT DU'er posting on that thread is a racist, though for plain reasons I didn't drop names; they know who they are from context. I've had the ill privilege of seeing the offsite posts to prove it without a doubt.
> >
> > At any rate. I doubt either of us will scratch the enamel of certainty held by the other. So... see you 'round I guess.

Good thing stupidity is not a crime, that would be a life sentence.

That's a good line. I hope you are well.

criticizes Obama that they can't contain themselves.

I could have, but I didn't.

I think that this was a concerted, pre-planned attack against LGBT DUers. Some group - probably NOM - seized the opportunity to launch a smear against gay folk and a bunch of DUers got the memo.

nt

1. Accuse gay people of attacking Michele Obama. (Link? I haven't attacked Michele Obama. Details....)

2. Accuse gay people of ignoring white male bigots (Sheesh. I know I haven't posted on DU lately, but I do have more than 37,000 posts to my credit and I would assume that probably 25,000 of them are critical of white bigots. The rest are fights I got in in Meta.)

3. Voila! All gay people are bigots. And we're selfish too.

I couldn't help but notice all the conservatives who have been posting recently, but I didn't know where they came from. I figured it was not just by chance, but again, I'm ignorant about these outside groups.

A wiki intro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Marriage

More information from the Human Rights Campaign, HRC, which is an LGBT advocacy group.
http://www.hrc.org/nomexposed

As the result of a lawsuit in Maine, some internal documents were revealed that showed that NOM implemented a national strategy to divide gay people and black people. The plan was to astroturf sites like DU and get black people to think that gay people are racists, while getting gay people to think that black people are homophobes. The idea is to divide these two strongly Democratic bases.

Links here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/nom-anti-gay-marriage-plans-hrc-revealed_n_1382388.html

One person who has publicly worked against the NOM strategy is the Reverend William Barber in North Carolina. He is the president of the NAACP in North Carolina, and he's leading protests against the Tea Party Republicans who have taken over the state. The Reverend Barber is also a strong supporter for gay rights. The protests against our horrible state legislature are gaining in publicity in North Carolina. Some people aren't happy about that. I think that today's renewed efforts to divide gay people and black people on DU are related to that. It won't work. I'm proud to stand with my black brothers and sisters in North Carolina against the Koch Brothers and others who are trying to destroy this state and this country.

think that nobody listens to us on DU. But look at this shit, we've got people from the administration here, we've got these NOM bastards, and God knows who else. Apparently, a lot of powerful political people care about what we on DU think. Up until now, I just thought treestar was an overzealous Obama supporter, but this has opened my eyes.

Did you hear about the NSA collecting phone data?

if someone spoke ill of Justin Bieber,

Just unreal.

This lot is not as sharp as some of the previous lots. They must have a thinning bench.

I have just a few random comments. Heckled? I've been heckled, worst was out of a crowd of thousands some of whom were also hurling objects and it was this 'Die Race Traitor Faggot'. So it takes some actual venom to get my dander up, for myself or anyone else. I figure that's why God gave us security people and quick reflexes along with the other skills that place us there to be, at times, treated with less than full respect. I have a hard time getting worked up about questions poorly timed, perhaps I am too hardened by personal experience with such things. I've heard terrible things shouted at really sweet elderly people. Awful stuff.
I'm not a fan of the tactic. I also have a high tolerance for what is and is not 'too far' .
It is hard to be interrupted when without electronic prompting, it can be annoying to be interrupted with cheers or shouts of 'we love you' even, this can kill the timing and giving speeches and other related activities are difficult and nerve racking tasks. I'd personally not do that to anyone, that's just a fact of my life.
It is also courageous to stand up for rights, and it makes me sad that any sort of theatrics are still needed in the politics and for the emotions of those involved. It sucks that either of these women who care about things outside themselves are in any way at odds. They are made of the same stuff. The day can not come too fast.
It makes me seriously, hard core sad that this sort of thing is still not a part of the past, all of it, all the NOM flavored Prop 8 retro divide-o-rama.

I don't have personal experience of being heckled, but I am not a fan of the approach. I'm not much of an activist but I have family members who are, and they favor a more nuanced approach.

Here's what I think happened. Michelle Obama was interrupted by an activist. The interruption annoyed her, and being a strong-willed no-nonsense person, she got in the activist's face and embarrassed her. I don't blame Michelle Obama for doing this. Unfortunately, her public relations people recognized that the right-wing smear machine might make a big deal out of this. There is a lot of racism and misogyny. Michelle Obama might be smeared as an "angry black woman." The public relations team had to fight this by getting out in front of it. What better way than to blame the gays? They changed the message from "angry black woman" (an unfair, racist attack on a strong, intelligent woman) to "angry white ungrateful queers" (an unfair, misogynistic, homophobic attack on the 99.9999999% of gay people who didn't have a clue about the heckler in advance and weren't particularly in favor of her heckling anyway). The message goes out - and suddenly DU and probably a lot of other sites are hopping with posts and threads about the angry white racist ungrateful queers - and suddenly a bunch of us gay folk really are angry!

We can be fired for no reason, can't adopt. Can't marry our partner, don't get retirement benefits. Get beat up for being "thought to be gay" ............


You should be ashamed for not paying attention.

Somebody else posted it on DU. See the link in my OP. I posted it here because it is wrong. I also posted a response in the original thread.

The link is confusing.