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Related: About this forumAmerican who helped craft Uganda’s ‘Kill the Gays’ bill to be tried for crimes against humanity
The First Circuit Court of Appeals has denied Pastor Scott Livelys petition to have a crimes against humanity lawsuit against him dropped.
The anti-gay pastor will stand trial in a federal court in Massachusetts for his part in crafting Ugandas notorious Anti-Homosexuality Act, popularly known as the Kill the Gays bill. The bill was largely the product of a workshop held in Uganda by Lively and two other american anti-gay activists, focused on how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how the gay movement is an evil institution whose goal is to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.
In spite of the pending suit and national condemnation for his actions, Lively has not backed down. Earlier this week, during an appearance on Trunews, he stated that homosexuality was worse than mass murder, because it was to blame for Noahs flood.
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/232101/american-who-helped-craft-ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill-to-be-tried-for-crimes-against-humanity/
PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)may justice prevail. And that those hearing the case are not scared off by the right wing nutjobs.
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This idiot Scott Lively ran for Governor of Massachusetts, and last month got 19,000 votes.
He has a sidekick, Brian Camenker, who writes at Massresistance.com There is a contact-us page.
Hope they throw the book at him.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Or possibly a reference to keelhauling a miscreant sailor.
Sometimes a typo is just a typo, and sometimes it's a Freudian slip.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)They can be great puns!
Perhaps it was a carbon arc.... (so don't look directly at it)
Typos.... I've made some doozies! One of my faves (that I still do) is "Waist of time". Is that anything like the "neck of time"?
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)He's a delusional nut.
Put him an institution and medicate him so he can't hurt anybody (else)
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)And their god is an angry god who's obsessed with sex.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Have a 'form' of Messiah Complex.
A messiah complex (also known as the Christ complex or savior complex) is a state of mind in which an individual holds a belief that they are, or are destined to become, a savior. The term "messiah complex" is not addressed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), but symptoms of the disorder closely resemble those found in individuals suffering from grandiose delusions (GD) or delusions of grandeur. This form of delusional belief is most often reported in patients suffering from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. Little is known about the disorder, but it is believed that as many as 10% of the population may hold similar beliefs in one form or another, though not significant enough to warrant a diagnosis.[1] Examples include Jim Jones, David Koresh[2] and Imran Khan.[3][4][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)One of them once started spouting what amounts to a spell to cast out my demon.
Didn't work.
Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)as far as I can tell, it is heterosexual sex (ie: penis/vaginal sex) that has led to all deaths everywhere. At least until the advent of artificial insemination, that is.
alp227
(32,033 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)We have a corrupt government that protects the interests of the political elites, Wall Street, war profiteers, CEO's, big oil & gas, and global corporations.
We have a two tier justice system.
We have an atrociously cruel penal system.
The decisions of the Supreme Court are not sound in law.
President Obama continues to appoint the most anti Democratic people.
Our news media are bought and paid for TV personalities.
The rule of law does NOT apply to everyone.
There is so much shit wrong we will never get rid of the stench.
It truly sickens me.
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)President Obama continues to appoint the most anti Democratic people.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)....can be not only tried but convicted in a US court on charges of crimes against humanity, that would send a powerful message.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)just ran for Governor of Massachusetts. Sadly some people actually voted for him.
DemoTex
(25,399 posts)This nut-job wants to kill gays to end aids. Fuck these guys and the pseudo-apocalyptic horses they rode in on.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)rurallib
(62,423 posts)even better when it does.
Like seeing the guy who just passed you driving way over the speed limit being talked to by the hiway patrol on the side of the road a few minutes later.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)If he loses the suit he would be responsible for monetary damages but there would be no criminal penalties such as jail time.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)in light of her brushes with the law.
Having this kind of publicity would not portend well for someone like him who apparently travels abroad on occasion.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)alfredo
(60,074 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Dress him up in drag, smear lipstick all over his face, make his mascara drip down his cheeks, and kick him out of a helicopter after setting down in a completely backwards and homophobic Ugandan village.
I wonder if he'd want to change his mind then?
alcina
(602 posts)And nothing personal, Elmer, but your post pushed me to finally speak up.
I have a good friend who grew up with Scott Lively, and this is what I've been told. Since this friend never speaks publicly about this, I've not felt comfortable repeating it, even in this somewhat anonymous environment. But I think those calling for retribution need to understand some of the background. It certainly doesn't excuse Lively's actions or words, but it might help explain them. This is not *just* a hateful human being hell-bent on destroying people who don't think like him. This is someone who has suffered more than a lot of us can ever understand.
My friend and Lively spent the bulk of their childhoods together. If you read the various bios on Lively, he repeatedly mentions growing up in a troubled home, which led to his being an alcoholic by the age of twelve. (See, eg, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively.) Though he has been accused of being an unrepentant liar, this much is true. He also claims that his father succumbed to mental illness and was locked up when Scott was 16. Somewhat true, or perhaps true in Scott's definition of mental illness. The fact is, Scott and his siblings spent their childhoods being physically, emotionally, and sexually assaulted by their father. Their mother, their extended family, and the community apparently suspected or knew to some degree, but none provided much help. These were children left at the mercy of a monster, and they all coped as best they could. One of the siblings, if I recall correctly, eventually committed suicide. At least two turned to religion. Most turned to drugs or alcohol. Despite this, most of them managed to put together some sort of functional adult life. But from what I understand, the ones whose lives are closest to normal and healthy were able to achieves this only after extensive therapy. Scott obviously chose another route.
I find it very telling that, while he openly discusses his "difficult childhood," nowhere can I find any mention of him claiming to have been sexually abused. But I have complete confidence that what my friend has told me is true. My friend has the scars to prove it.
As I said earlier, this doesn't excuse what Lively has done. His words and actions are reprehensible and he definitely needs to be held accountable. But to those who say they hope he "gets a taste of his own medicine," I have to say, he already has.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)All due respect, he needs to be punished for this. This is WAAAYYYYYYY over the top. I'm sorry about his childhood, but we need to call out people like this and they need to be made to stop.
SylviaD
(721 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)then had to run from a large mob throwing molotovs and concrete blocks at his head? Has he been hung and tortured by an angry mob? No? Well, he hasn't had a taste of his own medicine yet. Those are the types of things that happen to gay people in countries with harsh penalties for gay people. Those countries that have been visited and taught that vicious version of Christianity by people like him do those types of things to gay people. They WANT gay people stoned to death and necklaced.
I, personally, would not want anything like that type of torture and summary lynching done to ANYONE, but when it comes to a taste of his own medicine, those are the types of things countries that have anti-gay laws like those do.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)exclusionary, very frightening, very powerful people. They are at the center of much of this hate-filled, fear-mongering xtian fundamentalism.
What happened to their thought process as they were growing up that caused them to be so filled with hatred and power over the masses?
We must figure out a way to identify and successfully treat people who are so hate filled and power hungry.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)There was a time that I would have qualified that, but alas it pretty much represents all of them now. They own it, so they have to either condemn it, or wear it.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Civil, not criminal.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)it can maybe help stop these people.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)RationalMan
(96 posts)They will claim this is an attack on their freedom to practice their religion because advocating death to people you don't like is a natural part of any religious practice.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)You will be persona non grata in quite a number of civilized places. Serves you fucking right. K&R
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)"Lawmakers hatch plan to reintroduce anti-gays Bill"
http://www.monitor.co.ug/Magazines/PeoplePower/Lawmakers-hatch-plan-to-reintroduce-anti-gays-Bill/-/689844/2547332/-/omksoj/-/index.html
I wrote a long comment in the comment section imploring them not to allow this hate speech American to sway them, and asked why they had not run this story about Scott Lively's lawsuit, his charge of Crimes against Humanity.
But the comments are moderated, so when I went back today to see if there was a discussion, there was nothing there.
classof56
(5,376 posts)He left a trail of wreckage here in Oregon. Let's have some justice for this evil man disguising himself as a christian!
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)...like most white Fundie morons that spout Biblically inspired rants, this clod obviously never read the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because Yahweh disproved of their lifestyle choices.
Yahweh flooded the Earth because the product of His Creation turned out to be assholes. kinda like Pastor Lively.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)i hope they go to prison
maybe they'll get closer to sodomy firsthand
DemandsRedPill
(65 posts)We can now add this defective human to the long list of 'Christians' who without knowing it promote atheism, as no one would want to believe in anything they proclaim to believe in.
George Bush served and still serves as the perfect poster boy for why you would not want to be labeled Christian.
The number of so called Christians (such as Sarah Palin) who cheered, as our paid mercenaries vaporized millions of Iraqi's in Americas latest but not last 'murder for hire' sealed my revulsion for Christians
Long live the heathen
William769
(55,147 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)It's pretty well documented that Rick Warren is as deep in this as Scott Lively is. and met with Ugandan leaders at his megachurch several times to help craft that bill. I'd like to tell him where he can stick that purpose driven bullshit...
merrily
(45,251 posts)including many US politicians at the local, state and federal levels? Meanwhile, their tool the anti-gay pastor is a start. How about nations other than Uganda? The same POSs that peddle their venom in Uganda peddle it in other countries, too. And, I guess Freedoms of Speech and Religion will be a big issue in any trial.
Crikey. These people try my efforts to be non-violent.