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William769

(55,147 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:56 AM Feb 2012

Liberals applaud themselves for championing gay marriage. But there are ghosts at the weddings.

When the news came last June that the New York State Senate had voted to legalize same-sex marriage, I was at a dinner party that felt like New Year’s Eve, only with genuine emotions. Everyone at the table—straight, gay, young, old—was elated. Later, as my wife and I headed home past an Empire State Building ablaze in the rainbow colors of Pride Week, we were still euphoric at having witnessed one of those rare nights when history is made. Same-sex-marriage adversaries constantly proclaim that gay unions threaten “traditional” marriage. But in truth, it’s a boon to discover that a right you’ve taken for granted is so treasured by others that they’ll fight to get their fair share of its rewards—and its trials.

Fran Lebowitz is correct to remind us that not all gay people (any more than all straight people) are beating down the doors to what she calls “the two most confining institutions on the planet, marriage and the military.” But for those who have been, the dawning of marital equality and the demise of “don’t ask, don’t tell” are twin peaks in the checkered cavalcade of American social justice.

Since that night, the good news on gay civil rights has kept coming. This month alone, legislative and judicial actions have made same-sex marriage the law in Washington State and Maryland and nudged it closer to reality in California and, Chris Christie notwithstanding, New Jersey. A Valentine’s week New York Times–CBS News poll, echoing others over the past year, found that Americans now favor marriage over separate-and-unequal civil unions as the legal option for gay couples; less than a third of the public believes that gay families should be denied both. Each day the gay-rights bandwagon attracts unexpected recruits in the vein of the legal odd couple of Ted Olson and David Boies. No less a pitchman than Lloyd Blankfein is making public-service ads for same-sex marriage. Bill O’Reilly is defending Ellen ­DeGeneres from American Family Association vigilantes demanding that JCPenney ditch her as a spokesperson. Being in with the gays, it’s clear, has become a savvy (if not necessarily selfless) way to attach a halo to almost any troubled brand, from Goldman Sachs to some precincts of the Rupert Murdoch empire (though not the New York Post or Wall Street Journal, the only major dailies in the state that disdained large front-page headlines after the Albany victory).

Compared with the other civil-rights battles in America, especially the epic struggle over race that has stained and hobbled the nation since its birth, the fight over gay equality is remarkable for its relative ease, compact chronology, and the happiness of its pending resolution. There’s no happier ending to any plot than a wedding. But, as last June’s celebration has gradually given way to morning-after sobriety, it’s also clear that something is wrong with this cheery picture. Two things, actually.

http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/gay-marriage-2012-3/

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Liberals applaud themselves for championing gay marriage. But there are ghosts at the weddings. (Original Post) William769 Feb 2012 OP
Good article, K&R - though Rich is wrong when he says anybody forgot that Clinton signed DOMA. closeupready Feb 2012 #1
I went and looked up who voted against DOMA dsc Feb 2012 #2
Don't forget Paul Wellstone MNBrewer Feb 2012 #6
Wellstone voted for it dsc Feb 2012 #7
I know he voted for it, that's what I'll never forget (or forgive) MNBrewer Feb 2012 #8
This is as close as he got to calling his DOMA vote a "mistake" MNBrewer Feb 2012 #9
I think Rich is a little unfair in blaming Clinton for the votes of Senate Democrats dsc Feb 2012 #3
I noticed that. DURHAM D Feb 2012 #4
I think he did mention Biden dsc Feb 2012 #5
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
1. Good article, K&R - though Rich is wrong when he says anybody forgot that Clinton signed DOMA.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:55 AM
Feb 2012

And additionally, not to be nitpicky, but Bill Clinton was not much of a liberal, in light of DOMA, DADT, welfare deform, NAFTA, and other laws I'm probably missing.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
2. I went and looked up who voted against DOMA
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:32 AM
Feb 2012

and one name really stood out. Chuck Robb. For a Virginia Senator he was nothing short of amazing on gay issues. He also tried to get open service in the military for gays.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
8. I know he voted for it, that's what I'll never forget (or forgive)
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 11:34 AM
Feb 2012

I never heard him say it was a mistake. Do you know where he did that?

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
9. This is as close as he got to calling his DOMA vote a "mistake"
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 11:43 AM
Feb 2012

"The Conscience of a Liberal."

"What troubles me is that I may not have cast the right vote on DOMA,"

"I might have rationalized my vote by making myself believe that my honest position was opposition. This vote was an obvious trap for a senator like me, who was up for reelection. Did I convince myself that I could gleefully deny Republicans this opportunity? . . . When Sheila and I attended a Minnesota memorial service for Matthew Shepard, I thought to myself, 'Have I taken a position that contributed to a climate of hatred?' . . . I still wonder if I did the right thing."

That's a pretty weak repudiation of the vote. He took his dishonor of the DOMA vote to his grave and the stain will never be erased.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
3. I think Rich is a little unfair in blaming Clinton for the votes of Senate Democrats
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:34 AM
Feb 2012

and also I think he underestimates the degree to which the Hawaii case brought marriage to the forefront of anti gay issues. I lived in MS at the time and can attest that for anti gay people the Hawaii case was a huge deal and we could have easily wound up with a Constitutional amendment instead of a law.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
4. I noticed that.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 02:24 PM
Feb 2012

Also, he did not mention (unless I missed it) that our current Vice President voted for DOMA. Also, Obama was not even mentioned in that article, which took some effort imo.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
5. I think he did mention Biden
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 05:31 PM
Feb 2012

but it was after saying Clinton was to blame for the votes of those Senators.

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