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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:07 AM Mar 2012

Can Animals Be Homophobic?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/03/animals_and_homophobia_are_humans_the_only_species_that_discriminates_against_gays_.html


Two male penguin pair "Sechs Punkt" (Six Point) and "Schraegstrich" (Slash) cuddle at the Bremerhaven Zoo, where three male homosexual penguin pairs live in couple
Photograph by David Hecker/Getty Images.

In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan on Sunday, former Growing Pains star Kirk Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” and a behavior that is “ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.” We’ve heard that many species of nonhuman animals engage in gay sex, which calls into question the first part of Cameron’s statement. But what about the practice of shunning gays—can animals be homophobic too?

Not as far as we know. Homosexual behavior has been documented in hundreds of animal species, but the same does not hold for gay-bashing. For starters, few animals are exclusively gay. Two female Japanese macaques might have playful sex with each other on Tuesday, then mate with males on Wednesday. Pairs of male elephants sometimes form years-long companionships that include sexual activity, while their heterosexual couplings tend to be one-night stands. For these and many other species, sexual preferences seem to be fluid rather than binary: Gay sex doesn’t make them gay, and straight sex doesn’t make them straight. In these cases, the concept of homophobia simply doesn’t apply.

Still, it’s possible that a social grouping of animals would ostracize a member for engaging in even a single act of gay sex. Indeed, members of nonhuman species have been known to shun members of their social groups on account of certain specific behaviors. A 1995 study described a young adult chimpanzee that refused to grunt submissively and seemed to bully females; eight other males assaulted him and exiled him from the group for three months. It’s not inconceivable that unwanted sexual advances, homosexual or otherwise, might warrant the same harsh treatment; it simply hasn’t been documented.
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What evidence we do have suggests that no such policing of sexual behavior exists. A male dog mounted by another male dog might reject the coupling, but there’s no sign that it takes any more offense than would a female that’s not in heat. In some primate species, young females will take umbrage at advances from males of their father’s age, probably as a defense against incest. But while they may scream and run away, the rest of the group doesn’t seem to get riled up about it.
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sinkingfeeling

(51,469 posts)
2. A few years ago I ran across a study that said there was evidence of
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:38 AM
Mar 2012

homosexuality in something like 250 species. I lost the drive on that computer where I had the study stored.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
3. This is an interesting question to think about, but ultimately kind of pointless, IMHO.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 12:38 PM
Mar 2012

Because I could equally raise the question, how do we know that pigs can't fly? As with the possibility of animal homophobia, there is an absence of supporting data. But we can't rule either possibility out, on that basis.

See what I mean? No, I say - let human homophobes do that work, I'm interested in seeing MORE homosexuality in the animal kingdom. If reichtards have evidence purportedly showing animal homophobia, let's see it. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste any time disputing a hypothetical, that - if accepted as 'probable' - would serve to bolster Catholic dogma about "natural law" and about how 'homophobia is natural.'

By all means, if that's your thing, anyone here, go for it. But it's simply not my thing.

And on a side note, isn't it ironic how discussions about heterosexual intercourse were always couched in terms like "birds and the bees do it; therefore, it's natural for people to do it" and yet, when academicians like Bruce Baghemil compile research demonstrating that birds and bees also engage in homosexual intercourse, people like Cameron continue to argue that this merely demonstrates how uncivilized such behavior is. Crazy talk.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
11. By we I mean humans.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:26 AM
Mar 2012


As for gays, I wouldn't speak for everyone, but I can be an animal from time to time... in only the best possible sense of course!

Rhiannon12866

(205,731 posts)
9. When it comes to people, I think animals love those they've learned to trust.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:24 AM
Mar 2012

I adopted a nine-year-old Brussels Griffon who'd belonged to an elderly lady who died. He bonded with me the very first day, as well as with my other dog (he'd been raised with his sister), but he never was all that comfortable with men, and that included his vet.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
14. so secret -- it's been documented countless times!11
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 04:13 PM
Mar 2012
sorry -- i'm both eye rolling and chuckling at what you said.
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