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What Do Dress Codes Say About Girls Bodies?
Youre not going out dressed like that!
What mother would let her child wear such a short skirt?
Think about it: How often do we police girls bodies? Recent talk of school dress codes reveals that it happens an awful lot, and for some confused reasons.
After a New Jersey middle school banned strapless dresses from a school dance, more schools have been making headlines with various clothing bans and restrictions. Some of these bans focus on attire for dances while others target daily wear such as yoga pants and low-cut tops. All, however, focus only on girls clothing, and most of these restrictions are put in place to avoid distracting other students (i.e. the boys).
The concern for overly exposed young bodies may be well-intentioned. With society fetishizing girls at younger and younger ages, girls are instructed to self-objectify and see themselves as sexual objects, something to be looked at. A laundry list of problems can come from obsessing over ones appearance: eating disorders, depression, low self-worth. Who wouldnt want to spare her daughter from these struggles?
But these dress codes fall short of being legitimately helpful. What we fail to consider when enforcing restrictions on skirt-length and the tightness of pants is the girls themselvesnot just their clothes, but their thoughts, emotions, budding sexuality and self-image.
Instead, these restrictions are executed with distracted boys in mind, casting girls as inherent sexual threats needing to be tamed. Dress restrictions in schools contribute to the very problem they aim to solve: the objectification of young girls. When you tell a girl what to wear (or force her to cover up with an oversized T-shirt), you control her body. When you control a girls bodyeven if it is ostensibly for her own goodyou take away her agency. You tell her that her body is not her own.
When you deem a girls dress inappropriate, youre also telling her, Because your body may distract boys, your body is inappropriate. Cover it up. You recontextualize her body; she now exists through the male gaze.
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http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/05/24/what-do-dress-codes-say-about-girls-bodies/
muntrv
(14,505 posts)niyad
(113,587 posts)fitman
(482 posts)fitman
(482 posts)For instance, girls/women at my gym are wearing nearly next to nothing..tight skimpy booty shorts that hookers used to wear that go up their ass crack and they don't wear any panties or thongs underneath and major camel toe and skimpy sports bras..
Listen, I am not a prude but it's getting out of hand...I love women's bodies but,
we do need to tone the sexualization of our culture back few notches..men and women.
I have seen women wear these to my gym on a regular basis
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niyad
(113,587 posts)didn't say anything about how men dress. it was only about girls/women "taking it too far"--and, since they are at the gym, what do you suggest they wear?
again, they are AT THE GYM.
your post is pretty much exactly what the article was talking about. because you react--women should dress a certain way to prevent your reaction.
I saw a guy running yesterday, whose shoes were almost bigger than his little jogging "shorts". amazingly enough, did not elicit any sort of response on my part, except to wonder whether he had enough sunblock on (it was a REALLY hot, sunny day)
the men dress in long baggy gym shorts and t-shirts...once in a while a guy will cut his t-shirt down to "singlet" but they usually get laughed at and never do it again.
I have no problem with women wearing gym shorts/t-shirts and regular sports bras..
I love my wife in skimpy panties and sexy bra's but there is a time and place.
niyad
(113,587 posts)fitman
(482 posts)and I have mine but the gym I work out at is a university gym (open to the public) and when nearly all the 18-22 year old ultra horny men say the "dress code" of some of the women is getting out of hand....well that tells you something.
niyad
(113,587 posts)attire because MALES respond in a certain way. how about we talk about why the males respond this way, and why we should be caving in to their complete lack of self-control?
fitman
(482 posts)Get a pretty women in sexy attire and we act differently around women,,we stare and think impure thoughts and start slobbering ..we act with our penis and balls..testosterine does that..sorry if that offends you. We are different than you in that aspect.
That being said 99% of us have enough self control/morals that we don't rape/molest etc but some don't.
Look niyad, I am far from a prude butI still have a problem with the sexualization of both sexes in today's culture and do have a problem with 13-15 year old girls walking around with tight booty shorts with the word "juicy" printed on the back and I now that vast majority of people, liberal and conservative think the same way.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)that other people should have to deal with our reactions, that anyone cares to hear about them, or that anyone else should tailor their actions based on our level of arousal, much less feel threatened because we become aroused.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This information is not new.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...I need the address of the gym. I will then go check it out and report back.
niyad
(113,587 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)But I'm not taking any pics in the men's locker room. Guys have a habit of striking the Captain Morgan's pose when they are naked.
niyad
(113,587 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)they won't stop.
niyad
(113,587 posts)Skittles
(153,202 posts)I CAN MAKE THEM CEASE THAT BEHAVIOR I TELL YOU
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,907 posts)So up thread I noted someone took this faaaar off topic to what GROWN women wear to the gym. (raised eyebrow here)
If women wear big baggy XL sweatpants some dumb ass will say it turns him on.
And don't get me started on sex fetishes with grown women dressed as school girls in plaid uniforms.
Regardless of what any of us wear - some asshole will find fault with it.
Can we have a discussion about men with gross chests going topless while mowing their lawn in the summer? How it causes me to get out of control with vomiting? How they should cover up because it might cause a woman to say "eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww". How ball hugging jeans wearing men are asking for it?
Because this is one hell of an article about a topic that is relevant to any of us with daughters or nieces or girls we care about - and to compare the dress code of a junior high school girl with what adderall addicted female gym rats in this thread makes me lose control. I want to go off on someone.
fitman
(482 posts)I was referring to did not learn to dress this way in college..I know plenty of female grade school and HS teachers who tell me how these young girls are dressing as another poster above alluded too.
Most people today, liberal, conservative and in between all agree the sexualization of our society has gone too far and starting way to early.
When thongs are designed for 7-8 year old girls...
JustAnotherGen
(31,907 posts)But I wore a white sparkly strapless dress to my 8th grade formal . . . In 1986. Strapless formal dresses are nothing new and certainly not overtly sexual.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)While the overall scheme is anti-girl, this particular part has a non-biased element.
Menfolk don't get nearly as many options in clothing. That results in a much briefer "dress code".
Obviously that does not cover the overall issue.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)We have a pretty loose dress code in our school, enforced even looser.
But we have girls showing up in shorts that are somewhere between shorts and a thong - with their ass cheeks exposed.
Aside from any sexualization issues, it just grosses me out that their asses are sitting on the toilet seats, picking up urine splashes, then coming into my classroom and sitting on my upholstered chairs - I want a layer of fabric between their butts and my furniture, and I don't think that's too much to ask. I would want the same regardless of gender, age, etc.
I don't see the dress codes as targeting girls especially, I just see the girls routinely pushing the dress code more than boys, as a result of the media pushing the idea that their worth comes from exposing their bodies.
niyad
(113,587 posts)media instead of dictating how the females should dress, to avoid upsetting the males, when that is pretty much what they see around them 24/7?
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Most administrators recognize that they aren't in a position to require the media to do anything.
And they recognize they aren't going to get any farther with teaching 16 year old boys "when you look at naked girls, just don't think of them in a sexualized way."
I've had students debating in my classroom that teens ought to be allowed to come to school in just underwear and bras, because "it covers as much as a swimsuit". Seriously, that conversation in my room was one or two weeks ago.
Would you be okay with a coed classroom, with coed teachers, teaching a room of 14 year old girls in their underwear? What about if the room was filled with topless girls in thongs?
If you were a prospective parent and walked into a room with a 40 year old male teacher in front of a classroom of 12 year old girls in lingerie would you think "hey, that's where I want to send my girl!" ?
niyad
(113,587 posts)the fact remains that the impetus for this kind of "dressing" comes from the images with which they are bombarded 24/7. these girls did not, on their own, and out of the blue, decide that such was appropriate clothing.
can the schools address the media? I know that isn't their actual job, but if the major districts (like lausd, etc) got together, maybe they would have some influence.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)What... you mean address the cause, and not the symptom?
Surely not!
niyad
(113,587 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)And objectificationhas to stop being talked around.
It needs to be the central focus.
This is the only way to address the root cause of these issues.
niyad
(113,587 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I hope you're a fan so you can hear that line in his voice
niyad
(113,587 posts)go get it.