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appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 04:48 PM Aug 2023

Fish Oil Supplement Claims Don't Match The Science, Study; Omega-3 Fatty Acids, Heart Health

'Marketers overstate fish oil claims for heart health, study shows,' Washington Post, Aug. 23, 2023. ?️

- While a diet rich in seafood can lower risk of heart disease, studies haven’t shown the same benefit from fish oil supplements

Most research shows that over-the-counter fish oil supplements don’t offer cardiovascular benefits, but that hasn’t stopped marketers from touting them for heart health, a new study shows. The sale of fish oil supplements is a multibillion-dollar industry, and many people take fish oil capsules daily, believing the omega-3 fatty acids they contain are good for their overall health, particularly for their heart.

While it’s true people who eat seafood regularly are less likely to die of heart disease, studies have not shown that taking fish oil as a supplement offers the same benefit. Even so, fish oil marketers continue to make health claims that imply a wide range of benefits, according to a study published Wednesday in JAMA Cardiology.

The researchers analyzed labels from more than 2,000 fish oil supplements that made health claims. They found more than 80 percent used what is known as a “structure and function claim,” which is a general description that describes the role of omega-3 fatty acids in the body — such as “promotes heart health” or “supports heart, mind and mood.” Cardiovascular health claims, which accounted for 62 percent, were most common.

Fish oil contains two omega-3 fatty acids, EPA and DHA, found naturally in fatty fish such as salmon. Higher levels of these omega-3s have been associated with a lower risk of cardiovascular disease, but the observational findings are based on omega-3 levels in the diet, not from supplement use, some experts say. In fact, two recent large clinical trials showed that over-the-counter fish oil supplements do not improve cardiovascular outcomes...https://wapo.st/3YIzuhH

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Fish Oil Supplement Claims Don't Match The Science, Study; Omega-3 Fatty Acids, Heart Health (Original Post) appalachiablue Aug 2023 OP
A doctor told my husband exactly this Diamond_Dog Aug 2023 #1
I know, this is what I thought. Recently I found some fish oil supplements appalachiablue Aug 2023 #2
Well, everybody knows it only works if you have green lips while in New Zealand. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #3
Absolutely! ; ) appalachiablue Aug 2023 #6
An older employee of a retail store who told me he spent his life in pharma sales bucolic_frolic Aug 2023 #4
Whoa, scary but good to know. Your poor dad.. appalachiablue Aug 2023 #5
Each generation has its spoon feeding bucolic_frolic Aug 2023 #8
Not surprising Doc Sportello Aug 2023 #7
True this, but what about fish and microplastics? GreenWave Aug 2023 #9
Good point, we've really wrecked the planet !@?! appalachiablue Aug 2023 #10
We have plant products such as plaintain leaves GreenWave Aug 2023 #13
And concentrations of mercury. no_hypocrisy Aug 2023 #16
I don't know about otc fish oil. TexLaProgressive Aug 2023 #11
Glad it's working for you and straight from an MD. TC. appalachiablue Aug 2023 #12
I would disagree with this- having done Quakerfriend Aug 2023 #14
Agree. See my post below nt Quixote1818 Aug 2023 #22
I would stick with fatty fish that are high in omega -3's. Salmon trout sardines mackerel and mitch96 Aug 2023 #15
Forgot about Flaxseeds, thanks. appalachiablue Aug 2023 #17
Way less expensive than fish also. I grid them every morning as they go rancid fast..nt mitch96 Aug 2023 #18
stealing critter food, so i switched to just flax oil cause i don't eat fish. no fresh fish anymore. pansypoo53219 Aug 2023 #19
stealing critter food, so i switched to just flax oil cause i don't eat fish. no fresh fish anymore. pansypoo53219 Aug 2023 #20
That study is suggested as having some holes. It fails to mention there was a significant Quixote1818 Aug 2023 #21
Thanks for the follow up! One of the most Quakerfriend Aug 2023 #23
Your understanding is a lot more robust than mine. I trust Dr. Stanfield interpretation of these Quixote1818 Aug 2023 #24

Diamond_Dog

(32,005 posts)
1. A doctor told my husband exactly this
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 04:52 PM
Aug 2023

several years ago.

So he threw away his supplements and we eat more fish. We eat it at least twice a week.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
2. I know, this is what I thought. Recently I found some fish oil supplements
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:01 PM
Aug 2023

from a while ago and started taking them again but no more. We've been adding fish to meals as much as possible, good stuff. Stay well.

bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
4. An older employee of a retail store who told me he spent his life in pharma sales
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:03 PM
Aug 2023

told me spontaneously when I bought fish oil supplements that most of them went rancid in the capsules. This was in a discount clothing store that sold closeouts from local stores as well. I recall a cancer researcher saying rancidity raises the risk of cancer. I don't doubt his claim. My dad took them for more than 20 years, and guess what?

bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
8. Each generation has its spoon feeding
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:10 PM
Aug 2023

Recall we fought heart disease with trans fats. And cancer with laetrile. And roto-rooter-type demolition of cancer tumors in both men and women.

There is still a school of thought that prostate cancer can be fought with whole milk organic ricotta cheese, sometimes from goat milk. All this nonfat dairy is bunch of hooey!

You are 100% correct. Balanced diet, fresh foods. Get your nutrition from real food!

Doc Sportello

(7,522 posts)
7. Not surprising
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:07 PM
Aug 2023

As much as some hate to hear it, most supplements are BS. That's why the ads say things like "supports" such and such. Very, very few of these actually have scientific studies to back up claims. Even something like zinc that has shown some efficacy against colds is only good for ameliorating the symptoms in some but not all, and does not prevent them.

"Brain health" supplements are big business right now, but with one problem: they don't work. From Harvard:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/dont-buy-into-brain-health-supplements

GreenWave

(6,759 posts)
13. We have plant products such as plaintain leaves
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:21 PM
Aug 2023

that are frozen, boiled, frozen, repeat repeat in the tropics during holidays. So why can't someone figure out how to use these fibers to make wrappings which eventually biodegrade instead of plastic?

Then our oceans would be filled with perhaps tastier fish.

TexLaProgressive

(12,157 posts)
11. I don't know about otc fish oil.
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:17 PM
Aug 2023

I have been on Icosapent ethyl (Vascepa) prescribed by my cardiologist for years now. It is prescription only and has kept my triglycerides level below 100 when it was chronically above 400.

The dose is 4g daily and if I understand correctly is only one of the Omega 3 fatty acids in fish oil. Also it's synthetic not from fish.

Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
14. I would disagree with this- having done
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 05:35 PM
Aug 2023

clinical research for the NIH looking at the effects of fish oil on cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

Much of the research done- starting in the early 80s - showed that chol and trigly levels could be lowered significantly (by 25-35%). However, most of these studies dosed patients with ~ 10g of fish oil daily. This is a VERY high dose.

mitch96

(13,911 posts)
15. I would stick with fatty fish that are high in omega -3's. Salmon trout sardines mackerel and
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 08:05 PM
Aug 2023

Flaxseeds have omega3 also.
And the seeds keep you regular also.. A "twoFer"
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pansypoo53219

(20,978 posts)
19. stealing critter food, so i switched to just flax oil cause i don't eat fish. no fresh fish anymore.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:06 AM
Aug 2023

no sea food. luckily i don't like seafood.

pansypoo53219

(20,978 posts)
20. stealing critter food, so i switched to just flax oil cause i don't eat fish. no fresh fish anymore.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:07 AM
Aug 2023

no sea food. luckily i don't like seafood.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
21. That study is suggested as having some holes. It fails to mention there was a significant
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:57 PM
Aug 2023

reduction of heart attacks etc.

Toward the end of the video. He says the Mayo Clinic meta analysis found a significant reduction of heart attacks with a high degree of certainty:

Article: https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-minute-figuring-out-fish-oil/#:~:text=Omega%2D3s%20help%20reduce%20the,consider%20taking%20omega%2D3%20supplements.


Also, they mention the flaws of the study in this video:



Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
23. Thanks for the follow up! One of the most
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 09:32 AM
Aug 2023

astounding things I have ever seen, medically, has never left me.

This was a study set up to look at the effects of fish oil in patients with nephrotic syndrome- a disease of the kidneys that causes the kidney to become sort of like Swiss cheese, allowing large particles like chol and trig through. Hence, these patients tend to have very high chol and trig levels - I’ve seen chol 700, trig of 1500!

The study was blinded & tightly controlled- Patient received a controlled diet and were randomized to receive 10g of fish oil or placebo daily, with a washout period of 8 weeks between trials.

Our first patient was a 55 year old, white male who had smoked for 30+ years whose kidneys were significantly damaged. He dropped dead of a heart attack, while shoveling snow, 2 days after completing the study….
No one will ever know whether, or not, this might have been caused by plaque breaking away from an artery and causing the heart attack.

In any case, what was amazing was that his kidneys were completely ‘healed’ at the end of the study.
His nephrologist showed us the before and after scans of his kidneys- all signs of nephrotic syndrome were gone.
I will never forget the reaction of all the doctors in the room- stunned silence.

Unfortunately, this was the first & last patient we ever studied, as the MD leading the study moved.

I often wonder if fish oil has more benefits than we know.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
24. Your understanding is a lot more robust than mine. I trust Dr. Stanfield interpretation of these
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 10:02 AM
Aug 2023

studies. As a lay person I just want to know they are going by peer review science and that the studies were done correctly and guys like Stanfield are really good at looking at all the angles.

https://www.youtube.com/@DrBradStanfield

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