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(47,486 posts)
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 05:33 PM Sep 2023

Just curious when the Turtle froze, did he realize that something was happening?

An aide came to his side and repeated the question (of whether he was running again) and he looked at her, almost pathetic unable to respond.

I think that this is what happens with stroke victims. They are aware of what is happening but cannot react.

Or are they?

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Just curious when the Turtle froze, did he realize that something was happening? (Original Post) question everything Sep 2023 OP
Good question. I had a 'senior moment' awhile ago. It went like this.. Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #1
So many episodes are similar bucolic_frolic Sep 2023 #2
I think it might be epilepsy. AndyS Sep 2023 #3
He doesn't seem aware Warpy Sep 2023 #4
My guess is, he has had the neuro workup. But he is stubbornly holding on to his power,... 70sEraVet Sep 2023 #6
His staff certainly seems to know Warpy Sep 2023 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Fullduplexxx Sep 2023 #5

Joinfortmill

(14,429 posts)
1. Good question. I had a 'senior moment' awhile ago. It went like this..
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 05:40 PM
Sep 2023

Not sure exactly what happened with Mitch. I think it's more than the incident I had. The one I had was scary enough.
I was at the DMV to get my license updated to 'REALID'. When I went up to the desk, the clerk asked me why I was there, and I froze. I could not remember the term 'REALID'. I just stared at her, dumbstruck, trying desperately to pull the term from my memory. Scary, believe me. Clerk was very kind and eventually I got it, but it took a bit. Sometimes, this getting old sucks.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
2. So many episodes are similar
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 05:42 PM
Sep 2023

Count me in the dementia camp, though it's not a perfect fit by any stretch. It's not amnesia, it doesn't last long enough. Acute transient global mental immobilization. I just made that up, mostly. Earlier generations might refer to hardening of the arteries to the brain, now some type of sclerotic illness.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
3. I think it might be epilepsy.
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 06:57 PM
Sep 2023

Seizures range from a few seconds to the horrible grand mall we all think of. It is quite possible that he has shown what some call zone outs. He might stop mid sentence and 15 seconds begin to speak exactly where he stopped.

Epilepsy is often triggered by a traumatic brain injury like he recently had.

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
4. He doesn't seem aware
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 07:38 PM
Sep 2023

and during his July incident, staffers had gotten him turned around and he seemed surprised at being in a different position.

That's one reason I was wondering about seizure activity. During TIAs, people are generally aware that something is wrong and they come out of it more slowly.

Absence seizures are weird, a person sitting down will keep his balance, ditto a person standing up. A person at dinner might have a fork halfway to an open mouth and will remain frozen that way. Or stop in mid sentence and either resume it a few seconds later or lose their train of thought completely. It's as though for the duration, they are just not there. Falls happen when someone is getting out of a chair or walking or reaching for something. Please tell me he's not driving any more.

Whatever is going on with him, he needs a neuro workup, not some GP looking at him once it's over and saying he's fine. He's not.

70sEraVet

(3,504 posts)
6. My guess is, he has had the neuro workup. But he is stubbornly holding on to his power,...
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 08:20 PM
Sep 2023

not letting his constituents know the extent of his illness.

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
7. His staff certainly seems to know
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 08:45 PM
Sep 2023

and anyone who's watched him freeze up in public know knows.

Absence seizures are generally well controlled with medication. Maybe they haven' t found the right one. Or maybe he hasn't been to see a neurologist, hoping nobody outside his staff notices anything (he hasn't noticed, he's unaware) and he's terrified he'll be forced out before he's ready to die on the job.

I doubt this started as a result of his serious fall. I'm betting that whatever this is caused that fall.

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