Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 05:50 AM Sep 2023

We've known microwaving food in PLASTICS is harmful

More confirmation....

Plastics are bad for us and microwaving food in plastic containers is a "hell-no." Even if it says "microwave SAFE."


Microwaving 'Safe' Plastics Can Release Billions of Particles, Scientists Warn.

A team from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln in the US ran experiments using baby food containers made from polypropylene and polyethylene, which are both approved as safe to use by the regulators at the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Microwaving water or dairy products inside polypropylene or polyethylene products is likely to deliver the highest relative concentrations of plastic, the researchers revealed. Particles were also released when food and drinks were refrigerated and stored at room temperature, but significantly fewer in number.
https://www.sciencealert.com/microwaving-safe-plastics-can-release-billions-of-particles-scientists-warn



I'm going to be more careful.
23 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
We've known microwaving food in PLASTICS is harmful (Original Post) Duppers Sep 2023 OP
Just think about all those plastic water bottles that so many people buy by the case! Native Sep 2023 #1
If microwaved, would be more concerning...water gets hot all the time! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #2
It's not just microwaving. Heating up the plastic is very bad. Native Sep 2023 #4
Microwave scientific research I have read, not read any science articles on hot warehouses. Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #6
Drinking bottled water left in a hot car is not advisable. magicarpet Sep 2023 #11
When I see people with these bottles I try to tell them that they are putting plastics in their Maraya1969 Sep 2023 #16
Wouldn't consume anything left sizzling in the sun...eggs maybe! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #17
When I see people with these bottles I try to tell them that they are putting plastics in their bod Maraya1969 Sep 2023 #18
The article may be gaslighting a bit using number of particles as the units Shermann Sep 2023 #3
They've now confirmed these particles pass the blood brain barrier. Native Sep 2023 #5
Where were these studies in the 1970's? jimfields33 Sep 2023 #8
In fairness, that's the scientific method at work Shermann Sep 2023 #10
Haven't heard of any confirmation of that... Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #15
That's one guy's comment. There have been quite a few articles and studies this year. Native Sep 2023 #19
Yea. One research paper and then no scientific conclusion of harm.. Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #7
Lol! Enjoy those plastic particles. Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #12
True, they've only recently confirmed plastic is now in our bodies, and they have Native Sep 2023 #20
Correlation does not imply causation Shermann Sep 2023 #21
Rely on the plastics industry to prove they are safe? IJBOL Native Sep 2023 #22
Lobbyists paid billions will buy politicians, no liability or responsibility...cheaper than doing the Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2023 #23
Buy in glass, gab13by13 Sep 2023 #9
I try, but it's really hard. Everything is in plastic. Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #13
Let's make sure DeSantis knows that not microwaving plastic pudding cups is woke Blue Owl Sep 2023 #14

Native

(5,942 posts)
1. Just think about all those plastic water bottles that so many people buy by the case!
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:10 AM
Sep 2023

That stuff has been in hot delivery trucks, hot storerooms, you name it.

Native

(5,942 posts)
4. It's not just microwaving. Heating up the plastic is very bad.
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:41 AM
Sep 2023

They just don't run lots of tests on that because people know not to put plastic in the oven. But it will leach just as badly. The warmer the plastic gets, the more it is compromised and leaches chemicals. That's why they note in the article that just going from refrigeration to room temp releases particles, just not as much. And if you look up trucker reports, you'll see that it is hauled in hot trucks and stored in hot warehouses.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
11. Drinking bottled water left in a hot car is not advisable.
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 08:04 AM
Sep 2023

Some researchers who study plastics recommend against drinking water from plastic bottles that have been sitting in hot places for a long time — such as a car sizzling in the sun — concerned that the heat could help chemicals from the plastic leach into the water.

https://www.today.com/health/bottled-water-hot-plastic-may-leach-chemicals-some-experts-say-t132687#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16937422574874&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.today.com%2Fhealth%2Fbottled-water-hot-plastic-may-leach-chemicals-some-experts-say-t132687

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
16. When I see people with these bottles I try to tell them that they are putting plastics in their
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 08:43 AM
Sep 2023

bodies and in their family's bodies - especially dangerous for kids.

I try to make it personal.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
18. When I see people with these bottles I try to tell them that they are putting plastics in their bod
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 08:44 AM
Sep 2023

and in their family's bodies - especially dangerous for kids.

I try to make it personal.

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
3. The article may be gaslighting a bit using number of particles as the units
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:24 AM
Sep 2023

A "billion" plastic nanoparticles probably weigh around .00001 milligrams. If plastics demonstrate toxicity at those levels, we're all pretty much screwed anyway.

Native

(5,942 posts)
5. They've now confirmed these particles pass the blood brain barrier.
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:42 AM
Sep 2023

It's everywhere, inside and outside of us.

jimfields33

(15,823 posts)
8. Where were these studies in the 1970's?
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:56 AM
Sep 2023

That was the beginning of this mess starting in grocery stores that insist you use plastic bags over traditional brown bags. If you wanted to use paper, everyone in line would grown and be very upset you were destroying the environment. Amazing!

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
10. In fairness, that's the scientific method at work
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 08:01 AM
Sep 2023

In the 1970s the available evidence supported that plastic over paper was better for the environment. Now there is more evidence available which requires moving to a different position.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
15. Haven't heard of any confirmation of that...
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 08:43 AM
Sep 2023

“The big question is what is happening in our body?” Vethaak said. “Are the particles retained in the body? Are they transported to certain organs, such as getting past the blood-brain barrier?” And are these levels sufficiently high to trigger disease? We urgently need to fund further research so we can find out.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/24/microplastics-found-in-human-blood-for-first-time

March 2022



Native

(5,942 posts)
19. That's one guy's comment. There have been quite a few articles and studies this year.
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 01:06 PM
Sep 2023

Google this stuff. You'll find them. The studies are pretty new. First it was plastic particles in breast milk, then they found it in our blood, then they found it in lungs and other organs, and most recently they confirmed it passed the blood-brain barrier. Think of it this way - they now know that there is no place on Earth where you can't find plastic. It's in the air, it's in the rain, it is on top of Mount Everest, it's at the bottom of the oceans. Why wouldn't it be in us?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
7. Yea. One research paper and then no scientific conclusion of harm..
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:47 AM
Sep 2023

…What's not clear right now is what these microscopic plastic particles are doing to us. Studies have shown they can potentially be harmful to the intestine and key biological processes, but it's an area scientists aren't sure about…

If it’s not clear no need to panic porn….not sure about…so neither am I.

What baby food product requires 3 minutes of heating in 1000w microwave for 3 minutes?? Baby steak?

P.s. to poster…it’s never personal, it’s a conflict with logic from the assembled and presented in a single article facts that bothers.

Native

(5,942 posts)
20. True, they've only recently confirmed plastic is now in our bodies, and they have
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 01:15 PM
Sep 2023

yet to determine what it's doing to us. That said, it's pretty clear that plastic particles in our lungs is not beneficial. And as the use of plastic water bottles has risen so has colon cancer in younger people. Now that they know it's in our bodies, it's only a matter of time before they are able to determine how harmful it is.

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
21. Correlation does not imply causation
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 02:56 PM
Sep 2023

One thing I will say is that the burden of proof is on the plastics industry to prove that these substances are safe in the environment in large quantities, not on others to prove they are unsafe.

This is similar to climate change. Why do environmental groups have to be the ones to build all these complicated Earth System Models while the deniers do nothing but just throw rocks? Let them build the models so we can throw rocks.

Native

(5,942 posts)
22. Rely on the plastics industry to prove they are safe? IJBOL
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 03:26 PM
Sep 2023

We relied on the tobacco industry, and look where that got us. As to correlation versus causation, you are missing my point. I'm saying the scientific community has just now woken up to the dangers of plastic with regard to the human body. It's so early in the game that correlation and disease are all we have to go with right now. For your reading pleasure:

LUNGS: https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091246691/microplastics-found-in-human-lungs
BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER:
https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/bloodbrain-barrier-breached-by-microplastics-372463#:~:text=And%20now%20for%20the%20first,protect%20humans%20and%20the%20environment.
BREAST MILK:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/07/microplastics-human-breast-milk-first-time
HEART TISSUE AND BLOOD:
https://www.acs.org/pressroom/presspacs/2023/august/microplastics-found-in-human-heart-tissues-before-and-after-surgical-procedures.html#:~:text=A%20pilot%20study%20found%20microplastics,people%20who%20underwent%20cardiac%20surgery.&text=Everywhere%20scientists%20look%20for%20microplastics,parts%20of%20the%20human%20body.
LIVER:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(22)00328-0/fulltext

I'll let you play with Googling other organs.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
23. Lobbyists paid billions will buy politicians, no liability or responsibility...cheaper than doing the
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 03:33 PM
Sep 2023

right thing…the marketplace only wants short term profit. Long term is…not their thing.

Full stop.

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
9. Buy in glass,
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:59 AM
Sep 2023

70% of a bottle comes from a recycled bottle. Plastic is just more convenient.

Disclaimer: former glass worker. Only the Best Comes In Glass.

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Health»We've known microwaving f...