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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:42 AM Jul 2012

Research ban for surgeons after probiotic experiment

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22099-research-ban-for-surgeons-after-probiotic-experiment.html

It sounds like a particularly lurid episode of the TV medical drama House: in a last-ditch attempt to help people with advanced brain cancer, their surgical wounds are deliberately infected with "probiotic" bacteria to stimulate their immune systems into fighting the tumours.

Rather than ending with miraculous recoveries, however, this incident led to two surgeons at the University of California, Davis, being banned from conducting research on human volunteers.

News of the surgeons' reprimand, revealed by the Sacramento Bee newspaper, has alarmed bioethicists. "There are a lot of red flags," says Jonathan Kimmelman of McGill University in Montreal, Canada, who studies the ethics of clinical research.

The case raises tough questions about the standards of evidence that should be met before experimental therapies are tested in people – even those with just weeks to live who may feel that they have nothing to lose.
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Research ban for surgeons after probiotic experiment (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2012 OP
What can be said but... libodem Jul 2012 #1
Apparently, surgeons are allowed to cut and sew at will, but that anything hedgehog Jul 2012 #2
I don't really get it Celebration Jul 2012 #3
I would certainly consent if I was in those patient's place Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #4

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
2. Apparently, surgeons are allowed to cut and sew at will, but that anything
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012

else can be over the line.

One item of the Obama Health Care plan that gets rare mention is an effort to actually collect data on the results of common surgeries. There are parts of this country where women past menopause get hysterectomies on a very routine basis. Collecting data comparing results may reduce the number of hysterectomies, and cut into some surgeons' pocketbooks! Certain very common cardiac procedures have never been examined scientifically, either.

Celebration

(15,812 posts)
3. I don't really get it
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:55 AM
Jul 2012

The patients had a couple of weeks to live and consented to the procedure? Good grief, I would throw a Hail Mary pass at that point. The patients and the surgeon should be able to decide the treatment at that point, without interference.

This sounds like micromanagement by bureaucrats.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
4. I would certainly consent if I was in those patient's place
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:59 PM
Jan 2013

It isn't as if they had anything to lose at that point.

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