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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:19 AM Jan 2013

The antioxidant myth is too easy to swallow

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/10/antioxidant-myth-easy-to-swallow


'Blueberries best be eaten because they taste good, not because their consumption will lead to less cancer.' Photograph: Alamy

***SNIP

This isn't going to be a Goldacresque run-down of study after study of evidence (although here's a handy Cochrane review for the nerds). What's so interesting about the antioxidant myth is its wider cultural and social dimension. Why is this perception so hard to shift? And is there anything we can do about it?

One possible reason for our entrenched attitudes is the ubiquitous use of the word "antioxidants" in adverts proclaiming the health benefits of various foods and drinks. This isn't for want of regulation, and the Advertising Standards Authority have repeatedly upheld complaints about adverts that make unsupported claims about antioxidants' benefits.

But the much weaker claim that a product merely "contains high levels of antioxidants" leaves health claims implicit, and keeps regulators at bay. A brand of "super-broccoli" – launched with much fanfare in late 2011 – was bred to contain high levels of a chemical that ultimately, according to the product's website, "boosts our body's Antioxidant Enzyme levels". So good it's Capitalised.

So the relentless drip drip of health product advertising – particularly against a background of continual reports of Britain's ill-health, and our supposedly irresponsible behaviour – makes our trenchant hold on the antioxidants myth all the more understandable. We need this stuff, we're told.
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tridim

(45,358 posts)
1. And fat is good for you. Even saturated animal fat.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:44 AM
Jan 2013

And you also need sodium to live.

As for antioxidants, I trust carrot juice because I can feel it working. Vitamin A is amazing. Thank you Costco for making it affordable!

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
2. Article is confusing as hell... and we can't read the actual report..
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jan 2013

Big difference between "supplements" of antioxidants and whole foods containing antioxidants...

The study seems to be about supplements.. so why the big photo of blueberries?

When I phased out of my frozen blueberry addiction... I found carrot juice.. Why is it so delicious?



tridim

(45,358 posts)
3. I'm addicted to carrot juice. I had no idea it would be so delicious!
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:22 AM
Jan 2013

I mix it with everything, especially good quality OJ. I just wish it came in a high-pulp version.

1/3 Carrot juice, 1/3 OJ, 1/3 milk or kefir and some vanilla tastes like an Orange Julius/Push-Up popsicle.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
5. mixed view
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jan 2013

In a routine CT a kidney artery was found to be 70-80% blocked. The nephrologist I was sent to blamed it on oxidized due to smoking and suggested anti-oxidants. He didn't specify any special one, just one to counter oxidation effects smoking causes. My daughter an ER trauma nurse suggested krill oil due to its high anti-oxidant properties. The next 2 CTs over the following 2yr period showed the blockage reduced to 60-70% and the most recent CT showed no blockage. Annual CTs have been done following a AAA aneurysms growth rate.

I can't think of anything other than the krill oil to cause the partial blockage to disappear. I don't believe in most OTC or herbs, but having this result has me scratching my head and rethinking my views.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
6. The underlying problem is that too many people are eager to believe
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jan 2013

that some one food is magic and will cure everything, or that some one food is poison and no one, absolutely no one should eat it.

Now, if you're severely allergic to a food (or several foods) then yes, for you that food is poison and you better not eat it. But some of us have no food allergies and can eat anything we want. Really.

The best kind of eating you can do is to eat a balanced diet of varied foods. Honest.

 

2on2u

(1,843 posts)
8. Stanford says that Huntington's disease can be affected in various ways,
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jan 2013

more at link: https://www.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/wordpress/2011/07/diet-and-neurogenesis/


Vitamins, Nutrients, and Foods that promote Neurogenesis^

Another line of research on diet and neurogenesis has investigated the effect of dietary nutrients on the birth of new neurons. Several antioxidants, such as flavonoids, vitamin E, and curcumin, increase neurogenesis in rodent brains. Antioxidants are chemicals that prevent damage from free radicals, and thus might promote neurogenesis by protecting new neurons, among other things (Gómez-Pinilla, 2008). Flavonoids, found in cocoa and blueberries, are chemicals that increase neurogenesis in the hippocampus of stressed rats, possibly by increasing levels of BDNF (Stangl and Thuret, 2009), and/or by improving blood flow to the brain, which can increase hippocampal neurogenesis (Spencer, 2009). Vitamin E, abundant in vegetable oils, nuts, and green leafy vegetables, aids neurological performance in aging mice (Gómez-Pinilla, 2008). Curcumin, found in yellow curry spice, may increase neurogenesis in the hippocampus of rodents by activating certain cell signaling pathways known to increase neurogenesis and decrease stress responses (Stangl and Thuret, 2009). For more information on curcumin, click here.

Another antioxidant, found in green tea, goes one step further than the others. The chemical (-)-epigallocatechin-3-gallate (called EGCG) promotes neurogenesis in the hippocampus (Yoo et al., 2010), and has been shown to reduce the damage from oxidative stress in other neurodegenerative diseases (Ehrnhoefer et al., 2006). When flies with a form of HD were treated with EGCG, their control over their movements improved (Ehrnhoefer et al., 2006). EGCG might also directly fight the damage of HD, as it has been shown to slow the rate at which the mutant form of the huntingtin protein forms the plaques that are thought to hurt the brain (Ehrnhoefer et al., 2006).

In addition to antioxidants, other nutrients have also been shown to play a role in neurogenesis. Omega-3 fatty acids, present in fish and flaxseed, might also promote neurogenesis, and have been shown to decrease cognitive decline seen with aging and neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s (Yurko-Mauro et al, 2010). For more information, click here. Vitamins might stimulate the birth of new neurons since, in some cases, vitamin deficiency can inhibit neurogenesis. For example, deficits in zinc inhibit neurogenesis in the hippocampus of rodents. Zinc, a vitamin essential for normal brain development, promotes the survival and proliferation of neural stem cells, which are the main cell type capable of generating neurons (Adamo and Oteiza, 2010). Therefore, zinc deficiency inhibits neurogenesis in the hippocampus of rodents. Similarly, a deficiency of retinoic acid, a metabolite of vitamin A found in animal foods such as milk, inhibits hippocampal neurogenesis (Stangl and Thuret, 2009).

Altogether, research on diet and neurogenesis is not conclusive. It is difficult to study nutrients effectively: studying a nutrient in isolation ignores many of the complex interactions the nutrient may have in the body. However, there are a few relatively consistent messages that emerge. A vitamin-rich, low-fat diet aids neurogenesis in experiments with rodents, and a low-calorie diet mitigates the effects of neurogenerative disease in mice. As for humans, this diet has not been shown to directly help neurogenesis or ameliorate the problems of HD (Huntington Study group, 2008; Block et al., 2011), but healthy diets have a vast number of other physical and mental benefits: longer life, elevated mood, and higher energy levels, to name a few. In conclusion, eating healthy might promote neurogenesis – but even if it does not, a healthy diet certainly will not hurt.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
9. Well, guess that makes Stanford the new woo.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jan 2013

Obviously anyone who says something different becomes woo.

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