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unrepentant progress

(611 posts)
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:50 PM May 2013

Do we have something against red meat, or just complexity?

We’ve thought for decades that red meat is unhealthy. Earlier this month we found out why, a neat story involving a molecule called carnitine found in meat, metabolized by the bacteria that live in our gut. The resulting chemical, according to studies in mice, is linked to heart disease. Here is the paper. Open and shut case? That would be nice, but no.

There is a larger and more uncomfortable story here, and I don’t mean the fact that they got a vegan to eat a steak for science. (Although I would love to have heard that conversation.)

Here’s what I mean. The carnitine study was shouted from the rooftops, or the New York Times which is basically the same thing. But two more studies that came out in the following weeks resulted in less-than-triumphant coverage: one agreed with the first study, but opened up the complexity of the metabolic pathway involved. No longer just carnitine and TMAO, this one mentioned lecithin, choline, and betaine.

The other study claimed that carnitine, as a supplement, protects against heart disease. This meta-study looked at outcomes in patients who had already had one heart attack, and were assigned to take carnitine or placebo. The supplement was associated with lower risk of death, angina, and arrhythmia – but not heart attacks themselves, which is already a little weird.

http://blogs.plos.org/publichealth/2013/05/01/do-we-have-something-against-red-meat-or-just-complexity/


If anyone wants to do a longitudinal study of the effects of eating red meat on heart disease, I'll gladly sign up as long as you pay for my steaks.
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Do we have something against red meat, or just complexity? (Original Post) unrepentant progress May 2013 OP
I certainly don't have the expertise to judge the three truedelphi May 2013 #1
Meat and potatoes made America strong! lastlib May 2013 #2
I thought it was fear of God and the feel of the rod? unrepentant progress May 2013 #3
Think I'll just continue to avoid red meat... goldent May 2013 #4
I love grass fed beef womanofthehills May 2013 #5

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. I certainly don't have the expertise to judge the three
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:07 PM
May 2013

Studies you mention. i do know that I have a tendency to have anemia, and if I didn't have red meat when my body is at its worst, I would die.

This is not an exagerration - I don't mean I have mild anemia; I mean I can become so anemic that I was once able to escape being put inside a nursing home only because my spouse promised to get extra time home from work to see that I was bathed clothed and fed during the day. I mean my anemia was so pervasive that walking across a room felt like an all day trek through the rugged hinterlands of the tundra.

Right now all is well with me, but I do appreciate meat. People are individuals, and what is good for one is bad for another. My spouse avoids meat, but then he has some of the hemachromotosis factors, so he doesn't want it or need it. While I do.

3. I thought it was fear of God and the feel of the rod?
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:54 PM
May 2013

Oh no, wait, that's Britain. I'm sure something fearsome made us strong though.

womanofthehills

(8,721 posts)
5. I love grass fed beef
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:48 AM
May 2013

and I feel it gives me energy. I also take carnitine daily so I'll have to read more about this amino, but there are also lots of studies saying carnitine plus alpha lipoic acid = "the fountain of youth."

I will not eat beef that's not grass fed. Luckily, I live out west where I can get range beef from local ranches.

So many variables in these studies.

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