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ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 04:44 AM Feb 2012

I don't know what to do

Hello everyone. I didn't even know this forum was here and I apologize that my first post is one about a problem I have.

I have an older sister who has problems. She was diagnosed by somebody, I don't know who, with depression. They gave her free anti-depressants for awhile and then told her they couldn't give her any more until she saw a doctor, so I don't know what that was all about.

For years she has demonstrated behavior that, IMO, goes beyond depression. She takes offense with everyone who doesn't agree with her 100% and thinks they are out to get her. She is super religious and uses religion to bash people over the head with her opinions using the "God told me to tell you" thing. Everybody is always wrong in her eyes and nothing is ever her fault. She doesn't get along with much of anyone.

She has always resented me (by her own admission) because I was born. She was 5 when I was born and hated that I was getting the attention she had always gotten. I finally realized that she was very toxic to me and many of the bad things that had happened in my life she had a hand in causing.

Recently, we have been trying to get a party together for my parents 65th wedding anniversary. This older sister offered nothing in the way of ideas until I found a restaurant that served our purposes at a price we could afford. All of a sudden she found a "tea room" in another city that she insisted we should use. The tea room was over 60 miles from my parents home and really further than they would want to drive as well as many other things that made it inappropriate for the occasion. I gently disagreed with using the tea room, pointing out the long drive for the older people who would be attending (85 and up age wise) as well as the lack of a varied menu, etc.

Well, she went off on me. She once again accused me of lying and all kinds of other stuff. Come to find out she is no longer on any medication. I tried to reason with her, even telling her the tea house looked like a neat place, but that it just didn't suit our needs as they couldn't provide us privacy for the party. She got so abusive in her emails that I told her to leave me alone and to take it up with the other two sisters (who quite frankly were cowardly in that they didn't want to use the tea room either but wouldn't tell her that). After I refused to discuss with it any more she went off on the other two sisters who did finally tell her they didn't like the idea either.

She's my sister and I do love her but I don't like her. I actually had a panic attack (which I haven't had in years) while this was all going on.

Tonight, I get an email from her asking for her forgiveness and wanting to communicate with me again.

I don't know what to do. It's not that I can't forgive her but I just don't want to step in front of the out of control train wreck that always comes when I have contact with her. She has done this to me over and over and over again. One year she blasted me for months because I had a family Christmas get together on a Sunday. Well, it was the only day my husband was off during Christmas and I apologized that her husband couldn't take the Sunday off from preaching but it was the only day I had to do it. She went off on me until I finally hung up on her after she insisted I should have consulted her before setting up the get together. We didn't talk for a couple of years except to speak to each other at family functions.

I had tried to have a relationship with her in the last year, calling her just to chat and giving her a birthday present, just little steps toward repairing the relationship. And then this happens.

I'm sorry if this is rambling and incomprehensible but I'm just at my wit's end with her as are my other two sisters who finally found out what it felt like when she went into attack mode. Even my mom has little contact with her because she's so abusive.

I feel for her. I know she's miserably unhappy and I think there is more going on than depression, but I can't fix her.

What do I say to her? How do I answer her email? Yes, I can forgive her but I can't and won't allow her to be abusive to me any more.

Any advise or light anyone can shed would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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I don't know what to do (Original Post) ohheckyeah Feb 2012 OP
My heart goes out to you... and your sister... Yooperman Feb 2012 #1
I'm glad you found this group mdmc Feb 2012 #2
Does it sound reasonable ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #3
Welcome to our home on DU! Glad you found us- BeHereNow Feb 2012 #4
Thank you.... ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #5
I don't have any good ideas on how to deal with this situation, but Tobin S. Feb 2012 #6
Thanks - I will. n/t ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #7
Seconded GreenPartyVoter Feb 2012 #8
Oh, toxic personalities are so difficult to deal with, and even GreenPartyVoter Feb 2012 #9
Not content to apologize and let things ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #10

Yooperman

(592 posts)
1. My heart goes out to you... and your sister...
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 05:16 AM
Feb 2012

I come from a very very large family...I think we have a bit of everything you talked about...but not in one person.

My first feeling is you are absolutely correct that you don't have to put up with abuse. It is not your fault..and although she is your sister you are not obligated to be her punching bag.

First of all... it may be a good time for you to talk to a counselor to help walk you through this.

However....

Personally... I would write her a letter. Letters can't be interrupted. You can say what you have to say without having her go on a rant. Use the letter to explain your position. Telling her that you will not ever allow her to be anything but civil with you. If she can't comply or agree, you will not have contact with her. Period.

If she calls and starts ranting... hang up ... if you are at a family function and she starts... walk away. I would encourage you speak to your other sisters and hopefully they will support you and possibly do the same.

Also include a suggestion that she seek counseling for her anger. Nobody should live a life in anger and tell her that.

I have been dealing with depression and can understand how debilitating it can be. However, from what you wrote, I agree that she is more than depressed. She really does need to see a professional to help her with her anger issues and control issues.

With that... you can't change another person.. they have to change themselves.

Today...someone posted this link... she might take a look at it....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying

A nurse that deals with terminally ill patients shares what she has come to understand.

The one that had the most impact for me... Happiness is a choice! I have to keep reminding myself that.

Life is too short to be dragged in the drama she creates. I have a sister who does the same thing ... maybe not to the degree but.. 3 of her siblings have distanced themselves from her, me included.

I have come to understand I can't change her or make her understand what she is doing wrong. I have tried... but have now closed the door on her. I love her and she can be a great person but for my own well being I have had to move forward without her.

With that... good luck... keep me posted on how things proceed.

Peace

YM

mdmc

(29,072 posts)
2. I'm glad you found this group
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 08:24 AM
Feb 2012

What a tough situation. Perhaps keeping in mind that your sister is sick might help your relationship with her.

Keep on posting and reading. We are all doing the same thing - dealing with impossible situations without a clue what to do next.

Ah, sweet joy.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
3. Does it sound reasonable
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:37 PM
Feb 2012

for now to respond to her email that yes I forgive her and we can move forward and have a good time at our parents party? Then once this is over, I can write that long letter to her?

We (my 3 other siblings, 2 sisters and a brother) want to get through this without my parents knowing my sister caused all this grief. At some point my mom will know because she and I go out together and she knows me, but I would like for that to be after the party.


PS - she went off on one of my sisters when she suggested that sister #1 might want to consider getting back on the anti-depressives.

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
4. Welcome to our home on DU! Glad you found us-
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 02:59 PM
Feb 2012

You will find nothing but love and support here.
WE understand, really we do.

There is nothing more painful than dealing with a loved one who is
not in treatment.

Lesson #1- Take NOTHING she does or says personally. Hard I know, but a must for survival.

Lesson #2- Offer love, lots of it- she may come to feel safe with you and be open to treatment.

Lesson #3- TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

Julie Fast has a wonderful book for people who have loved ones who are struggling.
Her web site: http://www.bipolarhappens.com

BHN ((((((((HUG)))))))))

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
5. Thank you....
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:16 PM
Feb 2012

I don't think I can be the one to offer her much as she doesn't want it from me. She decided a long time ago that I'm somehow out to get her. Every time I open up to her and try to have a relationship it turns into an opportunity for her to attack me.

My younger sisters may be able to get through to her but I don't know. This was the first time they have suffered her wrath as it had always been directed at me in the past. They don't know how to deal with it - I at least had years in Al-Anon that helped me realize that I "didn't cause it, can't control it and can't cure it"...whatever the "it" is; whether it's depression, someone's drinking or something else.

Right now, I'm in defensive mode. When I suffered the panic attack, it had been so long since I had one that I didn't even realize what it was at first. A friend pointed it out to me. I can't go back to that place. I worked too hard to overcome it.

I appreciate all the advice and kind words. I responded to her email by saying that I can and have forgiven her and that we could move forward to have a good time at my parent's anniversary party. I don't know what else to say to her right now so I left it at that.


Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
6. I don't have any good ideas on how to deal with this situation, but
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 05:49 PM
Feb 2012

Look up narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder. See if any of that stuff rings a bell regarding your sister.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,381 posts)
9. Oh, toxic personalities are so difficult to deal with, and even
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:43 PM
Feb 2012

more so when they are relatives. I hope that you and your sister can each find some peace!

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
10. Not content to apologize and let things
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 01:03 AM
Mar 2012

alone, my sister emails me today to let me know that she called the restaurant where the party is going to be and they told her she could bring a CD player. She informed me that she would be bringing the music. Basically, it was a nah nah nah I can do what I want without conferring with anyone else kind of thing. The thing is, if she knew my Dad at all she would know he isn't going to want music playing. He wears a hearing aid and in a closed room with 30+ people the music will drive him crazy. Then she asked "what else is being done".

Oh, no, she's not dragging me into that discussion. No matter what I said it wouldn't be right so I just replied "I just got up and don't have any idea what is else is going on." I knew she had already talked to my other sisters and knew exactly what was going on - she was baiting me.

So, she has set herself up to get her feelings hurt when my Dad asks for the music to be cut off - and he will. Then we can hear how unappreciated she is and how everyone picks on her.

I really just want her to leave me alone. We can do the fake air kiss thing at family get-togethers and that's really all that's necessary as far as I'm concerned.

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