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Tab

(11,093 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:46 PM Jul 2013

Help me come up with the 10 guidelines to "Chopped" - I only have six.

Help me come up with the 10 guidelines to "Chopped" - I only have six. No, the final number doesn't have to be 10, but I suspect there are a few that I've missed.

I've become an avid watcher of The Food Network's "Chopped". First, I've discovered I'm not the chef I thought I might be because someone handing me liver paté, catfish, dandelion greens and yogurt and expecting an appetizer in 20 minutes is probably going to be disappointed.

Nevertheless, I've watched enough shows to start getting an idea of what is acceptable and what is not.

Overarching ideal: Properly cooked food, that is tasty, usually wins.

Missing an ingredient: Not the end of the world, if someone else made a major mistake. Only an issue if you're equally tied otherwise. Note, does not apply to main ingredient - usually the side basket items (e.g.: forgetting the hotdog buns or the blueberry sauce).

Undercooking: Not easily forgiven. You can, actually, get away with overcooking if you've gotten the seasoning right - it's not optimal, but you can slide by. Undercooking is not usually as forgiven a sin.

Last minute additions: I've seen multiple episodes where at the last minute the chef decides the dish "needs more color" or "needs more crunch" and tosses a chili on top or a pile of frisee on the bottom, and it's inedible, thus screwing up the dish, which leads me to my next item:

Screwing your dish with non-basket ingredients: So many times I've seen chefs blowing their dish on something that wasn't in the basket to begin with. Trying to make a risotto in 20 minutes. Making pantry potatoes the focus - and then undercooking them! - when they weren't in the basket to begin with. Not to say you can't use non-basket ingredients, but don't make them the focus of the dish - and then screw them up - the dish should revolve around the main ingredients.

Not transforming your ingredients: If you're given potato chips and put them on the plate as a side of potato chips, that does not seem to go over well. They want some transformational experience - use them crumbled as a coating in a shallow fry or SOMETHING. Just don't let them be potato chips, or let hot dog rolls be hot dog rolls, or whatever. Convert them in some way.

Under or over seasoning: They tend to come down more on overseasoning. Under-seasoning is a problem, but overseasoning is an unforgiveable sin.

Also: note that some resources are limited. Only one person can usually use the ice cream machine or certain other pantry or fridge items. Claim yours early. Plus, chefs that use the lesser used items - like molecular gastronomy's Ultratex, or maybe the anti-griddle - tend to score points.

Anyone else notice anything?

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Help me come up with the 10 guidelines to "Chopped" - I only have six. (Original Post) Tab Jul 2013 OP
Maybe something about timing; about the clock? NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #1
yeah, they're pretty critical if you don't manage your time Tab Jul 2013 #2
A few things... Phentex Jul 2013 #3
I'm not sure I've ever seen a backstory save anyone. Tab Jul 2013 #11
Oh yes, they often comment on Phentex Jul 2013 #12
Don't take liberties with the dish names. noamnety Jul 2013 #4
Yeah, if I was cooking on the show and had to come with a name Tab Jul 2013 #9
Don't leave that reduction or whatever on the burner while you turn to do something else, pinto Jul 2013 #5
"Transform the ingredients" kdmorris Jul 2013 #6
Don't use raw red onions... SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #7
#1 Chopped rule! Gormy Cuss Jul 2013 #14
Make sure components blend well into a finished dish. SalviaBlue Jul 2013 #8
They want them to be transformed AND tied together Tab Jul 2013 #10
A couple of things. cbayer Jul 2013 #13
But I've seen flavor trump presentation Tab Jul 2013 #15
True that. But if you have time to make it look good.... cbayer Jul 2013 #16
get your servings plated grasswire Jul 2013 #17
I think that if the judges say "where's the lime juice"? Tab Jul 2013 #18
Oh, and also - have reserves to fall back on. And be careful about medleys. Tab Jul 2013 #19
Don't use the truffle oil in the pantry to try and jazz up a dish... Glassunion Jul 2013 #20
that's what i was about to say fizzgig Jul 2013 #21
I've never used or tasted, as far as I know. What's it like? pinto Jul 2013 #22
Pure bliss if used correctly. Glassunion Jul 2013 #23
Rule and addendum Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #24
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Maybe something about timing; about the clock?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jul 2013

Don't finish too early, but be sure not to be rushed at the end and heaven forbid being caught completely undone by running out of time. Get those proteins cooking right away if they're a challenge, don't wait til the last minute to grab plates, and if there is any extra time, use it in some productive way and don't just stand there.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
2. yeah, they're pretty critical if you don't manage your time
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jul 2013

Finish too early and don't have a perfect dish - you could have done more.
Don't finish on time, screw up your plating - gotta leave time to plate.

Not understanding the time on your ingredients and/or not allowing for potential errors - bad burners, broken machine - try to have a backup plan.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
3. A few things...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

Vary your textures. Serve them something too creamy and they will "be looking for that little bit of crunch that would have knocked it out of the park."

Watch your acidity. That dash of lemon or orange juice would have balanced the flavors and "knocked it out of the park."

Don't serve savory for dessert. They admired the boldness of your lamb and crawfish brownie with the cotton candy reduction, but they really want something sweeter for dessert.

Have a back story. You need the money for your son's cancer treatments or to visit a relative you haven't seen in years.

But above all, make sure you knock it out of the park!

Tab

(11,093 posts)
11. I'm not sure I've ever seen a backstory save anyone.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jul 2013

It makes for good television - I'm doing this for my wife/girlfriend who is dying of cancer and I want to take her to the French Laundry, or my sister has been missing for years and I want to hire a private detective - hey, I'm dying (slowly) of cancer too, and would love to the French Laundry as well, but I don't think I'd make a big deal of it on television.

Also your comment about savory for dessert reminded me of a few things:

- An appetizer should not be like dessert, even if you had chocolate donuts in your mystery box.
- A dessert should not be like an appetizer, like you said.
- An appetizer should not be sooo big like an entrée
- An entrée should not be so small like an appetizer.
- Neither appetizers nor entrées should be cloyingly sweet like dessert, but neither should dessert be too sweet to eat either.
- They don't take too kindly at getting breakfast items for dessert, even if the basket did consist of eggs, bacon, and toast. They'll tolerate that for the appetizer, sometimes, though.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
12. Oh yes, they often comment on
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jul 2013

the portion size. I forgot about that but it is a very common part of the judging.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
4. Don't take liberties with the dish names.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:29 AM
Jul 2013

A few times I've seen the judges cop an attitude when it seems like the food tasted fine but the chef referred to it as (some fancy name) and technically it wasn't that dish.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
9. Yeah, if I was cooking on the show and had to come with a name
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jul 2013

I'd give it something like "The Bob's Special" or something - I don't speak french and don't know what half these things are (the other half I generally get).

pinto

(106,886 posts)
5. Don't leave that reduction or whatever on the burner while you turn to do something else,
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:31 AM
Jul 2013

forget it, then smell smoke.

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
6. "Transform the ingredients"
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:07 AM
Jul 2013

The judges hate it when you use basket items in their original form... so points off if you just cut up the horrible, "never-heard-of-that-before" vegetable into a salad.

SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
8. Make sure components blend well into a finished dish.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jul 2013

I often hear that a dish is disjointed or that some component does go with the rest of the offering.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
10. They want them to be transformed AND tied together
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jul 2013

It may be just a sauce you need (maybe the one you left on the stove and forgot to plate!) but they want something to tie them all together, yes.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. A couple of things.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jul 2013

They like presentation. I also like presentation. The same meal can look appetizing or completely unappetizing.

It shouldn't be difficult to eat. Don't make them pick crabmeat out of claws.

Lastly, they respond to confidence. Use the Julia Childs approach - Never Apologize. But they don't like excuses. Take responsibility for things that went wrong.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
15. But I've seen flavor trump presentation
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jul 2013

Presentation seems to take a back seat to preparation, creativity, and taste. All other things being equal, if presentation is the only difference, they'll use it, but a beautifully presented yet crappy-tasting dish will never prevail over a delicious but poorly presented dish.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
16. True that. But if you have time to make it look good....
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jul 2013

People's visual take on food can profoundly effect their tasting experience. It can't overcome something truly horrible, but it can destroy something really good.

Now, if they were to taste with blindfolds on, that would be a different matter.

Great thread, by the way. Hope you are feeling well.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
18. I think that if the judges say "where's the lime juice"?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:54 PM
Jul 2013

the chef should reply, "that's the mystery!".

I don't think it'd keep them from getting chopped, though.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
19. Oh, and also - have reserves to fall back on. And be careful about medleys.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jul 2013

Don't cook all the whatevers at once - you mess it up, you've got no chance to redo it. Save at least a couple in case you drop something on the floor or set your pan on fire.

And they are usually suspicious of medley's (all the basket ingredients in one stew, or whatever). If you can pull it off, that's great, but a lot of chefs fail at it and have no option. Everything rides (or fails) on that one concoction.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
20. Don't use the truffle oil in the pantry to try and jazz up a dish...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jul 2013

Only use it when it fits, and use it sparingly.

I've seen several chefs take a dive for adding truffle oil when it did not fit.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
23. Pure bliss if used correctly.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jul 2013

It's difficult to explain the flavor as it is rather unique. If you enjoy mushrooms, you will like its earthy mushroom-like flavor. But it can be rather pungent and take over a dish, so it's use should be as sparingly as possible.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
24. Rule and addendum
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jul 2013

Always salt the pasta water: Always

Under or over seasoning addendum: I agree with your rule but not salting something at all or basically not at all is a death knell.

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