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niyad

(113,336 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:10 PM Oct 2013

baking question here: I was looking at a recipe that, as part of the instructions, required you

to put eggs in a plastic bag and boil them for 45 min before incorporating into the pastry cream and the pie crust (this was a recipe for a triple almond pie). have been baking for years, but have never run across this before. is this a new technique, and what, exactly, is it supposed to do?

thanks in advance.

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niyad

(113,336 posts)
2. minutes was what the recipe said, and, since the cream and the crust were both going to be
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:26 PM
Oct 2013

cooked (or baked), I simply could not see the point.

Nac Mac Feegle

(971 posts)
4. I would suspect that there may be a typo in there somewhere
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:00 AM
Oct 2013

Possibly the recipe wants you to heat up cold eggs for 45 sec to a minute, but 45 minutes is just not right for any pastry cream I've ever made. You could leave the eggs out on the counter for 15-20 minutes to bring them to room temperature before starting out. Having the ingredients at room temperature is often needed to make sure everything blends well, especially butter.

If you could link or post the recipe, I'd like to see what they are trying to do. I might be able to figure it out. It's been a few years since baking class, but I still have the books available.

Just make sure that you keep the powdered sugar and cornstarch straight. 10X is NOT a thickener. Someone put 10x powdered sugar in the cornstarch bin, and no one in the 20 person class could get their pastry cream to thicken enough. Finally someone actually tasted it, and massive headslaps ensued.

niyad

(113,336 posts)
10. Oooppsss!! that must have been one very interesting class!! I posted the recipe below, even
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 10:54 PM
Oct 2013

checked to make certain I had not misread it (or the column in which I originally read it) Will be happy to hear your thoughts on it.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
6. This guy can help you out before you waste the effort.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:28 AM
Oct 2013

I think he could help the OP, too, just by writing to him. It appears that he used to be a test-kitchen cook for Cook's Illustrated, so quite the cooking expert!

The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
by J. Kenji López-Alt

niyad

(113,336 posts)
11. I saw an egg once which had been forgotten on the stove for about 30 minutess (thank goodness
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:01 PM
Oct 2013

there had been sufficient water in the pan!!) it was NOT a pretty sight! The person wanted to know what could be done to rescue it. ughhhh

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
12. yeah, I don't think even pigs would eat it at that point
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 12:34 AM
Oct 2013

Maybe a goat would. Their digestive systems seem to have been designed to digest broken bottles and rusty barbed wire.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. seems to me the only thing it would do is
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:13 AM
Oct 2013

put chunks of hard boiled egg in the pastry cream doesn't sound too appetizing to me

niyad

(113,336 posts)
8. thanks to all who responded. I located a copy of the recipe online (apparently every food section
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 10:04 AM
Oct 2013

of the newspapers carried it this week, or something) and double-checked to make sure I had not misread it. Here is the complete recipe (which, apart from the weird egg thing, does not sound too bad):



The Cooking Lab: Create a perfect triple-almond cherry pie


Triple-Almond Cherry Pie



Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:45 pm

By W. Wayt Gibbs
AP Food Writer

By late summer, the fruits hanging from vast groves of Prunus amygdalus trees in California have withered and split. Through cracks in their leathery rinds, you can see glimpses of the pale teardrop-shaped seeds they protect: almonds, ready for harvest.

By early autumn, fresh almonds are pouring into markets by the ton. It’s the perfect time of year to make this recipe for almond cherry cream pie, which works the subtle, yet complex flavor of almonds into all three layers: a crispy crust, a custard filling, and a sweet, crunchy topping.

The chefs in our research kitchen tested more than 40 versions of sweet and tart crusts to find the combination that, thanks to a bit of almond flour and powdered sugar, produces a container for the pie that has just the right balance of sweetness, strength and buttery give. A thin coat of cocoa butter holds the cream filling away from the crust, so it stays crisp from the first bite to the last. And a dash of almond extract enhances the flavor of the almond flour.

The pie is filled with a simple pastry cream flavored by amaretto, the almond-flavored liqueur. Cooking the custard in a temperature-controlled pot of water ensures that the texture turns out right every time.

You can top the pie with caramelized almonds, which are easy to prepare and make an addictive snack on their own. And for a splash of color and a dash of tartness, we add canned Amarena cherries. Fresh cherries are even better, but hard to come by this time of year. Slices of fresh fig also work well as a topping.

The crust, filling and caramelized almond topping for this pie can each be made separately and stored until you are ready to assemble the pie. The crust will keep for up to three months if you vacuum seal it and then freeze it before it is baked. The pastry cream filling will keep for up to two days in the refrigerator. The caramelized almonds will keep for up to a week when stored in an airtight container.

If you are making the pie all at once, you can save time by making the pastry cream and caramelized almonds while the dough for the crust rests in the refrigerator.

Triple-Almond Cherry Pie

Start to finish: 3 hours (1 hour active)

2 tablespoons cocoa butter
12-inch double-almond pie crust, baked (see recipe below)
4 cups amaretto pastry cream (see recipe below)
1/2 cup (60 grams) caramelized almonds (see recipe below)
12 Amarena cherries or fresh cherries, halved

In a small saucepan over low heat or in the microwave, melt the cocoa butter. Brush a thin coat of the cocoa butter over the interior of the baked pie crust. Set aside to allow the fat to solidify at room temperature.

Fill the crust with the cold pastry cream, smoothing the surface with a spatula. Refrigerate the pie until it becomes firm, at least 1 hour.

Top the pie with the crumbled caramelized almonds and cherry halves. Serve cold.

Makes one 12-inch pie;

Double-Almond Pie Crust

3-1/2 tablespoons (50 grams) egg yolks (from 3 to 4 eggs), whisked
3/4 cup (165 grams) unsalted butter, very cold
1-1/2 cups (200 grams) all-purpose flour
3/8 cup (30 grams) almond flour
3/4 cup (80 grams) powdered sugar
1 teaspoon (4 grams) salt
1/2 teaspoon (2 grams) baking powder
3/4 teaspoon (2.5 grams) almond extract
Baking beads or dry beans, as needed

Fill a large stock pot with hot water, then set over low heat and bring to 153 degrees F. Clip a digital thermometer to the rim of the pot, with the tip well submerged, to monitor the temperature.

When the water reaches 153 degrees F, place the egg yolks in a zip-close plastic bag. Slowly lower the open bag into the heated water until the top is nearly at the surface of the water, then seal it. The goal is to use the water pressure to squeeze as much air as possible out of the bag. Once sealed, the bag should sink.

Submerge the bag of yolks, and let them cook in the 153 degrees F water for 45 minutes. Keep an eye on the thermometer and adjust the heat as needed to keep the temperature at or near 153 degrees F.

While the yolks cook, dice the chilled butter, and combine it in a food processor with both flours, the powdered sugar, salt, and baking powder. Pulse until the mixture takes on the texture of cornmeal.

Add the almond extract and cooked egg yolks gradually, while continuing to pulse the food processor. Continue processing until the dough starts to bind. Although it may look quite dry, it will cohere eventually.

Shape the dough into a ball, flatten it into a thick disk, then wrap it tightly in plastic wrap. Put the wrapped dough into the refrigerator and let it rest for an hour. As it rests, the butter in the dough will harden and the gluten will grow more elastic. While the dough rests, you can make the pastry cream and caramelized almonds from the recipes below.

When the dough is nearly finished chilling, heat the oven to 375 degrees F.

Unwrap the dough and roll it into a circle that is about 1/8 inch think and about 14 inches around (or 2 inches larger in diameter than your pie pan). If you find that the dough is too sticky to roll, either chill it again or place it between 2 pieces of plastic wrap or kitchen parchment, and then roll it.

Line a 12-inch pie pan with the dough; do not trim off the excess. Instead, let the edges drape over the sides of the pan. Press the dough firmly into the pan interior. If you don’t need to use the crust right away, cover the unbaked crust in plastic wrap and store it in the refrigerator. For longer-term storage, vacuum seal it, and stick it in the freezer.

To prepare the crust for baking, prick it with a fork all over, then press kitchen parchment over the top to protect it during baking. Fill the pan with baking beads or dry beans, and press them against the walls so that the dough doesn’t droop while it is in the oven.

Place the pie pan on a baking sheet, and bake until it turns golden brown, about 12 minutes. Midway through the baking, rotate the pie pan a half turn so that it browns evenly.

Carefully remove the beans and parchment. If the crust still looks a little wet, return it to the oven for another 2 to 3 minutes.

Cool the crust to room temperature, then use a knife to trim any excess crust from the edges of the pan.

Amaretto Pastry Cream

1/2 cup (110 milliliters) heavy cream
1/2 cup (100 milliliters) whole milk
5 tablespoons (64 grams) sugar
Pinch of salt
3/4 cup (200 grams) egg yolks, blended (11 to 12 yolks)
1-1/4 teaspoons (6 milliliters) amaretto liqueur
1/4 cup (50 grams) unsalted butter, softened

Fill a large stock pot with hot water, and heat it to 176 degrees F. Use a thermometer clipped to the pot to monitor the water temperature.

In a medium saucepan over medium-low heat, combine the cream, milk, sugar, and salt. Whisk the mixture until the sugar and salt have completely dissolved.

Strain the blended egg yolks into a zip-close plastic bag. Remove the air from the bag by slowly lowering it into the stock pot until the surface of the water almost reaches the seal, then close it. The bag should sink into the water. Allow the egg yolks to cook in the water bath for 35 minutes; adjust the heat as needed to keep the temperature at or near 176 degrees F.

The yolks should now be firm and fully set. Transfer them immediately from the bag into a blender, and puree them at low speed. Do not allow the yolks to cool before blending, or the pastry cream will become grainy.

While the blender is running, gradually add the amaretto and the warm cream mixture.

Increase the blender speed to high, and gradually add the softened butter. Blend until the mixture becomes smooth and creamy.

If you will not be using the pastry cream right away, press plastic wrap directly onto the surface of the custard to prevent a skin from forming, and store it in the refrigerator.

Caramelized Almonds

1/2 cup (50 grams) sliced almonds
2-1/2 tablespoons (25 grams) sugar
2-1/2 teaspoons (10 grams) egg white, blended
Pinch of salt

Heat the oven to 350 degrees F. Line a baking sheet with kitchen parchment.

In a small bowl, mix the almonds, sugar, egg white and salt. Spread the almonds evenly across the prepared baking sheet.

Bake until golden brown, about 6 minutes. The color of the almonds can change quickly, so keep an eye on them.

Cool the almonds to room temperature, then crumble them into large pieces. If you will not be using them immediately, store the almonds in an airtight container.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
9. Bizarre. Clearly, they want you to put cooked egg yolks in the pastry cream.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:06 PM
Oct 2013

I've always made it by using raw eggs as part of a cooked custard, then added whipped cream to the cool custard. If you get brave enough to make this, let us know how it comes out.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
15. Sous vide
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:34 AM
Oct 2013

Getting the yolks to exactly that temperature gives you eggs that are done "rare" in meat speak. I wouldn't attempt it on a stovetop, but there have been other threads in here for affordable sous vide controllers that you can use with a crock pot.

niyad

(113,336 posts)
16. thank you for the information. had not heard of this before, until sinkingfeelings' post. will
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:55 AM
Oct 2013

have to check it out more thoroughly.

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
13. It is a cooking technique that changes the viscousity of the yolk.
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 09:32 AM
Oct 2013

It's explained here how cooking in a vacuum at a specific water temperature can give the yolk a texture of honey, or cookie icing, or mayonnaise.

http://www.livescience.com/28575-science-of-cooking-perfect-egg.html


Here's the chart:

niyad

(113,336 posts)
14. a very interesting article, and I thank you. as I said, had not heard of this technique before--and
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:04 AM
Oct 2013

at first glance, I was reminded of the recipes for cooking condensed milk in its container.

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