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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:40 AM Nov 2013

Now I need help with my potato cakes.

It should be obvious that I am new at this cooking thang.

I am trying to sneak more fish into our diet. I tried a recipe for potato(e) cakes with canned salmon.

The recipe includes and egg, canned salmon, shredded potatoes*, chopped onions, capers, chopped red bell peppers, and panko.

I had a lot of trouble getting the cakes to bind together. The flavors were good, so it's worth another attempt.

* I used the dried hash brown shredded potatoes, reconstituted.

Any suggestions?

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Now I need help with my potato cakes. (Original Post) rhett o rick Nov 2013 OP
Maybe use freshly shredded potatoes? They didn't bind because there sinkingfeeling Nov 2013 #1
Add an egg??? elleng Nov 2013 #2
Definitely add an egg or two bif Nov 2013 #5
They were good but more like hashbrowns than cakes. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #10
I use mashed potatoes and an egg pscot Nov 2013 #3
Do you use any bread crumbs? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #7
Maybe a bit pscot Nov 2013 #11
The key is usally to squeeze as much moisture out of the shredded potatoes as you can. PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #4
I did try to get all the moisture out. I fried them in butter/olive oil rhett o rick Nov 2013 #8
Is this a fried or baked recipe? n/t Melissa G Nov 2013 #6
I fried them in a little butter/olive oil mixture. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #9
I think you are going to have to use sort of a "mashed potato" type potato to hold together. rdharma Nov 2013 #12
The Dijon is a good idea. I was looking for something like that to add. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #14
My mom used to make potatoe cakes out of the left-over mashed potatoes! dballance Nov 2013 #28
When I think of potato pancakes..... I think of two types........both great! rdharma Nov 2013 #29
My mom did too...I love those the best. I still make them mtnester Nov 2013 #32
I'd try another egg in the mix, as well. Did you drain the salmon? pinto Nov 2013 #13
Yes I drained the salmon. It seemed to be too dry to mush together. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #15
Every single fix suggested here is a good idea. Melissa G Nov 2013 #16
Good point about the oil. I use canola, it handles a higher temp well. pinto Nov 2013 #17
one more idea locks Nov 2013 #18
Crisco? In lieu of butter? Plez explain. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #21
Sorry about that locks Nov 2013 #30
I use coconut oil for higher temperature frying and a 50/50 mixture of butter and olive rhett o rick Nov 2013 #31
They shouldn't bind together all that well Major Nikon Nov 2013 #19
I understand what you are saying. I couldnt flip these without them crumbling. Seems a fine rhett o rick Nov 2013 #22
Here's how I do mine Major Nikon Nov 2013 #23
About how thick are the patties? Three minutes a side heats it thru? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #24
About an inch thick is how I make mine Major Nikon Nov 2013 #27
Use fresh potatoes Warpy Nov 2013 #20
We make ours with leftover fish spinbaby Nov 2013 #25
Thanks for the tips. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #26

sinkingfeeling

(51,461 posts)
1. Maybe use freshly shredded potatoes? They didn't bind because there
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:42 AM
Nov 2013

wasn't enough moisture or egg to hold things together.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. The key is usally to squeeze as much moisture out of the shredded potatoes as you can.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:54 AM
Nov 2013

(But that's with fresh potatoes)

How did you cook them?

For some more ideas:
https://www.google.com/search?q=salmon+potato+cakes

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
12. I think you are going to have to use sort of a "mashed potato" type potato to hold together.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:47 PM
Nov 2013

I love raw shredded/frozen (thawed) potatoes in Latkes/German pancakes...... but it won't cook properly and hold together in a salmon potato pancake.

I like the idea of your recipe..... I would be tempted to add Dijon mustard.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
28. My mom used to make potatoe cakes out of the left-over mashed potatoes!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:34 PM
Nov 2013

They were yummy good. First thing I thought of was the same thing you mentioned - mashed potatoes as the base.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
29. When I think of potato pancakes..... I think of two types........both great!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:10 PM
Nov 2013

There are the Latke/German style fried made with shredded potatoes and the pancakes made from left over mashed potatoes.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. Yes I drained the salmon. It seemed to be too dry to mush together.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

Another egg is a good idea. I saw one recipe that put a little flour in.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
16. Every single fix suggested here is a good idea.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:41 PM
Nov 2013

It just depends on personal preference. Hanukkah is coming up and I am always amazed how different the potato pancakes come out depending who is making them -even using the same ingredients! Like all pancakes, the first ones are often a bit off until you get the hang of frying them.

The problem might be with the amount of oil and the type and temperature. Olive oil is not generally my preference for a fry oil - happier at lower temps same with the butter. They are for saute temps.

Potato pancakes are better at deep fry temps. Maybe try something hotter temp friendly like grapeseed oil and cooking it a little hotter with a bit more oil?

locks

(2,012 posts)
18. one more idea
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:18 PM
Nov 2013

Instead of panko use bread crumbs to bind and flour to coat. Don't use butter to fry anything. Use safflower, canola oil or crisco.

locks

(2,012 posts)
30. Sorry about that
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:02 PM
Nov 2013

Just after I wrote that a TV report came on that the govt plans on banning all transfats. LOL Should have happened a long time ago; lots of places have cut out the hydrogenated fats already. The problem with butter is that it browns and burns too fast for frying. I try to use olive oil often but sometimes the taste seems kinda strong. For baking I use the canola spray.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. I use coconut oil for higher temperature frying and a 50/50 mixture of butter and olive
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 01:29 AM
Nov 2013

oil for lower temperature frying and sauteing.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
19. They shouldn't bind together all that well
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:00 PM
Nov 2013

You don't want something like a hamburger patty. I make fish cakes using whatever flake-able type fish I can find like crab or tuna. They always are quite loose and don't bind together well. That's how you know you did it right. What you want is for them to hold together well enough for you to flip them in the saute pan and plate them and even at that you have to be very careful.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. I understand what you are saying. I couldnt flip these without them crumbling. Seems a fine
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:16 PM
Nov 2013

line between a flippable pattie that's still loose, and hashbrowns.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. Here's how I do mine
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:44 PM
Nov 2013

I really don't like to add a lot of ingredients. Basically all I do is flake the meat in a bowl (make sure it's well drained), add some prepared Dijon mustard and a some mayo, a bit of seasoning, along with a couple of tablespoons of panko bread crumbs and mix. Then I form each cake with my hands, press each side into a plate of more panko break crumbs, and then put them directly into an oiled hot saute pan and brown each side for about 3 minutes. I use just enough mayo to hold everything together long enough to make it to the plate.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. About how thick are the patties? Three minutes a side heats it thru?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:26 PM
Nov 2013

Might I ask what kind of oil you use to saute?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. About an inch thick is how I make mine
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:26 PM
Nov 2013

For seasoning I use just a bit of salt and pepper and occassionally I'll throw in a bit of old bay. I also usually throw in some chopped fresh herbs if I have some on hand. I like dill for salmon or tuna and parsley for crab.

Light olive oil is what I generally saute with for most everything although every now and then I'll use clarified butter. When I think it's done I check the internal temperature with an instant read thermometer. It should be about 160F or so. I keep EVOO and light olive oil on hand at all times. I use EVOO for much of my lower temperature cooking and salads. I use light olive oil for higher temperature cooking and for things in which I don't want the stronger taste of EVOO. If you want to go lighter you can broil them, which works fine especially if you're making a lot of them.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
20. Use fresh potatoes
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:02 PM
Nov 2013

You don't have to use a knucklebuster grater on them, a plastic mandoline usually has a shredding blade and won't break the bank. Just use the guard unless you want potato cakes a la thumb.

The fresh potatoes will have a great deal of surface starch which will help to hold the whole thing together.

It won't be a solid cake like the supermarkets carry in the frozen section. There will be bits of potato sticking out all over the place, getting brown and crisp.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
25. We make ours with leftover fish
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:59 PM
Nov 2013

If I have leftover fish from dinner, the next night I flake it and mix it with a bit of mashed potato, an egg, and maybe some chopped green onion or parsley. Then I make it into patties, bread in panko, and fry.

Canned salmon at our house usually becomes salmon cakes--mix with egg, bread crumbs, parsley, and onion, make into patties and fry.

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