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Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 10:57 AM Feb 2019

Dark Roux method/recipe

So, a few weeks ago we did a recipe for a roux through a béchamel sauce to a mornay sauce to make mac and cheese. This week we're doing another back-to-basics recipe with this dark roux. Now, a dark roux is significantly different from a basic roux. The long cooking time completely cooks the flour and causes some chemical changes that make it behave differently from a standard roux. There will be more oil separation, and you need to use more flour in proportion to the fat that you're mixing it with, otherwise it will come out extremely greasy. It also doesn't thicken things quite as seriously as a basic roux, but it also adds an amazing toasted popcorn flavour and aroma to whatever you add it to. It's a big basis for a lot of Cajun recipes, like the gumbo that will be coming next week!

You can switch up the kind of oil you use for this recipe. It should be a neutral and high smoke-point oil. When hubby worked at Brennan's of Houston, they used cottonseed oil, and in this recipe we used grapeseed oil, but canola oil will work as well. I would recommend against something like olive oil.

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blm

(113,065 posts)
1. My Slovak grandmother used butter instead of oil and mixed it into sauerkraut
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:11 AM
Feb 2019

and pork roast recipes. Yum.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
2. It shows up in a lot of culture's cuisines
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:26 AM
Feb 2019

We used a mix of butter and oil, because it's a little more heat tolerant. The mix of oil with the butter keeps things from burning, somewhat. We actually didn't go as dark as some serious Cajun cooks will go, but we were trying to time it with several other things all going on at the same time, so once it was dark enough, it was time for the veggies to go in!

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
7. It won't burn, but it's not correct for a Cajun brick roux
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:50 PM
May 2019

Just some interesting hair-splitting food trivia for the weekend: Creole and classic rouxs (rouxes?) use butter, whole or clarified, but the Cajuns were far too poor for that sort of extravagance - they use either vegetable oil, shortening, or really traditionally lard. A butter-based roux does detectably change the character of a pot of gumbo; I'm OK with it but the Louisiana-born wife considers it an utter abomination.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. Personally I use light olive oil
Sat May 4, 2019, 02:06 PM
May 2019

Certainly not traditional, but it has a high smoke point and it's what I keep on hand.

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
10. We just use vegetable oil for the most part
Sat May 4, 2019, 04:33 PM
May 2019

For a super dark batch, the kind where you have to dump it onto an iced sheet pan to keep it from burning, we'll use grapeseed, but otherwise it's whatever canola/soy/corn we have on hand.

Light rouxs always get butter, though. Fun fact, clarified is better even for a light blonde batch since it doesn't contain water - you don't need to carefully wait for the foam to subside but the solids to not brown before you dump in the starch.

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
6. never used butter...
Sat May 4, 2019, 08:19 AM
May 2019

I helped my mom make gumbo my whole childhood and never used butter in my own gumbo because I don't remember her using it. Maybe we were too poor. But even when she cooked in restaurants I don't remember her using butter. I will have to try that. Everything's better with butter! Avocado oil has a very high smoke point. I'll try using that next time. My gumbo is pretty damn good, (I make it with a very dark roux) but maybe I can make it even better. Thanks for posting this!

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
11. Butter does not make gumbo better!
Sat May 4, 2019, 04:37 PM
May 2019

It comes out too rich, sweet and…well, buttery. Pleaded with the wife to make it with butter once, I was ambivalent at best and she was outright disgusted. Now, lard on the other hand…

Hotler

(11,428 posts)
4. I have a Justin Wilson cook book that talks about..
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:22 PM
Mar 2019

making a dark roux, and because you have to stir constantly it takes awhile to darken, you going to need a six-pack of beer cause your going to get thirsty. "I gar-on-tee!

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
5. I wouldn't say constant, but definitely frequent.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 05:40 PM
Mar 2019

You do need to let it darken on the bottom between stirrings, but you've got to keep a close watch to make sure it's just darkening and not burning.

Also, a six-pack is a great idea so long as you're done with your knife work!

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
8. Doing it in the oven is a handy method, especially if you're making a lot of it
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:53 PM
May 2019

Get a good heavy cast iron pan or Dutch oven, mix up the fat and oil over the fire, then pop into a 325-degree oven. Stir it every 20 minutes or so, keeping an eye on the color. It can take a couple of three hours if you're doing a big batch, but it's pretty much zero actual work. At home we do 2# flour and 2# oil, then freeze it in ice cube trays. Lasts a couple of months.

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