Even when i still ate meat.

...im on a low carb lifestyle so i eat lots of meat. Nothings as good as a rare grilled t bone.

And the slaughter houses will be doing less slaughtering.

You aren't seriously advocating that cows are better off being butchered are you?

too much in the DNA. literally.

even if it did, cattle are the number one only way we are going to be able to fix unhealthy soils over immense land areas. we need them more than most can fathom.

they are the best tools for healing land (even land they have "ruined&quot and they make delicious, high quality, complete protein out of sun, rain, and plant matter we can not digest.

I suspect eventually "real" meat will be considered a luxury, like owning a horse is now

all texturized soy protein isolate which is highly estrogenic. Not bad every once in a while but both something you want to eat all the time.

they hid it pretty well.

But, as I said, I make plenty of veggie meals as it is, and don't have to disguise them. Tonight I'm thinking of eggplant Parmesan with some spinach in there.

Not vegan, but I never said I was a vegetarian and certainly not a vegan. (I might even throw some bacon on top...)

The beef industry has an enormous carbon footprint, and giant agribusiness factory slaughterhouses are horrible for the animals, the workers, and consumers. But there are a lot of people who think that the dinner meal must be a giant slab of grilled protein along with a pile of starch and probably some vegetables maybe.

On our cooking channel we do a bunch of interesting vegetarian dishes, including a bunch of great salads and slaws, and we'll be doing a vegetarian saag paneer (replacing the paneer with feta) in an upcoming video sometime in the next few months. Hubby also makes mapu tofu, which frequently has pork, but it is not required. The idea of meat "substitutes" reinforces the idea that we have to be eating meat all the time.

Don't get me wrong, I am nowhere near a vegetarian (though I frequently feel that I should be for environmental and corporate ethics reasons), but it is easy to have very satisfying meals that are not only meatless, but do not have a "meat substitute" either. Lots of ways to get protein and such if you're careful about what you're eating and maintain some balanced meals.

And don't get me started on those far right bitcoin carnivore cultists. There's this fringe group that has decided that the best diet for humans is 100% meat all the time, no carbs, no fibre. Just meat, fat, organ meat. Please note: This is -not- a healthy diet, and they're all going to be in agony in 15-20 years from diverticulitis.

if one is trying to wean the unadventurous off of beef, why not just make some luxurious non-meat dishes? Seems the unadventurous would run faster from fake meat than from an asparagus souffle with truffles and Bearnaise sauce. (Got yer heart attack covered, carnivores)

Salads and slaws definitely work for me, except some of them are a little too much work.

I can't recommend it enough for making very fine julienne veggies for slaw, especially super fibrous stuff like beets. You can also use a box grater, but it's not quite as refined a texture.

Eat pure food, just eat less for pete's sake! Who needs an 8 Oz (1/2 a pound od meat!)hamburger patty loaded with 2 slices of cheese?

3 or 4 ounces of protein in a meal twice a day is all the average person needs. Eat more pasta, rice and fresh veggies. Have a bowl of maltomeal or oatmeal or whole grain cereal for breakfast instead of bacon and eggs. or a bowl of plain yogurt with fruit, (plenty of protein in yogurt) but don't get the tricked out kind, try plain whole milk yogurt.

And while I am preachy, kick the sugary drinks and processed snacks habit.

These are all valid reasons for fake meat. I love real beef, but I don’t like what beef production is doing to the planet and growth of beef production can’t continue like this.

I’m not so sure about the taste of Beyond meats - I tried the Beyond Taco at Del Taco and it was OK, but i thought the “meat” taste overpowered the taco. However, the Impossible Burger is downright delicious. If someone hadn’t told me, I’d think it was a real burger. Unfortunately, there’s a shortage of them right now.

Yeah, it’s relatively expensive right now and the recipes are still being tweaked. We are in the beginning stages. You can compare this market to the electric car market. Prices are high right now, but costs will drop as production scales and more competitors enter the market.

And like electric cars, it’s a done deal - just a matter of time before it eventually overtakes the market. There will always be some level of demand for a good steak, but real meat production is unsustainable at current levels, given population growth, methane byproducts and destruction of forest lands for grazing.

I've tried both Beyond and Impossible; Beyond I can take or leave but Impossible, at least in grilled-patty form, is pretty damn solid. Solid enough that I'd gladly sub it out for 85% of the burgers that I eat, and I'm a certified meat lover. Once they hit stores this year I'll probably always have a pack on hand.

everybody's taste buds are different. I like the burgers too.

The point? They give some of us satisfaction.

When I go vegetarian, it’s not imitation meat, it’s tofu, beans, lentils, and other tasty vegetable protein sources. When I eat meat, it’s real meat, which I try to obtain from local sources.

like to experiment at times. I'm not a vegetarian by any means, but I have cut down on meat a lot

It is really silly to pay that much money for fake meat.

They make a couple of different refrigerated varieties. The Italian-style are okay. Haven't tried the sweet apple variety. I love their frozen breakfast sausages. patties and links. They used to make sausage crumbles, but sadly, they discontinued those. Those were great on pizza or in other Italian dishes.

For some reason they grossed me out so badly when I opened the bag I threw them away. Gray and gross. Looked like a new brand of cat litter.

It ended up in the compost pile. The local crows left a note on the back door later in the day. It said "Never again."

There's a dishonesty in being vegetarian or whatever and then going for a fake version of what you say is so awful.

Personally, I'm a happy eater of real meat, but were I do give it up, I'd skip the fake stuff.

makes me gag. I have always had an aversion to meat.

When I did eat meat it was always what kind of meat to fix then what to go with it. People are used to thinking like that. If they go vegetarian they still are thinking of meat first and what to have with it. So we substitute veggies meat for real meat.

I think trying to find fault with veggie meat or those that eat it rediculous.

10 years ago before going vegan I liked hamburgers. Now I can still enjoy them sometimes without the guilt of any animal dying 😉.

to enjoy. That is why in my opinion.

The Beyond Burger and impossible Burger are both good to me. Neither terribly healthy, but I sure enjoy them.