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Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 03:48 PM Jun 2013

So...now that I finished those concrete steps, a question...

How can I attach full-size brick to the face and top of the low wall/curb, and the somewhat taller planter box? Brilliantine here forgot to place any ties/fasteners in those areas, and I'm not sure mortar will do the job over the long haul (maybe even the short haul).

One of the guys at Lowe's suggested polyurethane construction adhesive for the back of the brick where it contacts the wall.

Anyone done anything like this, or know anything about it?

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So...now that I finished those concrete steps, a question... (Original Post) Adsos Letter Jun 2013 OP
We used regular mortar, and some metal straps pounded into the wall and placed between the bricks. jeff47 Jun 2013 #1
Thanks for responding Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #2
We've used either wood walls or concrete walls. jeff47 Jun 2013 #3
Thanks, jeff47! Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #4
Not really. jeff47 Jun 2013 #5
I wouldn't put an expansion fastener into uncured concrete, though. X_Digger Jun 2013 #7
Are you sure it needs it? I sorta like the look of it as is ... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #6
Partially...but primarily because my wife really, really... Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #10
Just a thought here.... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #8
Yes, I see what you mean. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #11
I understand. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #16
Bonding agent and a scratch coat? X_Digger Jun 2013 #9
Real brick... Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #12
Did you include a ledge in the pour for them to sit on? X_Digger Jun 2013 #13
Yes, there is a small footing for just that purpose around the base of the planter Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #14
Well, if you're in a warm climate, I probably wouldn't bother w/ wall ties.. X_Digger Jun 2013 #15

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
2. Thanks for responding
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jun 2013

When you say "pounded into the wall"...how? The metal straps I have seen are very thin and are meant to be placed prior to pouring; or, are meant to be set in the mortar joints of CBU walls. Did you use CBU, or was it a solid concrete structure?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
3. We've used either wood walls or concrete walls.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jun 2013

The strap was bent in an "L" shape, so that one leg was on the wall, and the other leg went between two rows of bricks. The "between bricks" leg was anchored in place by mortar as the brick wall was built. It was short enough so that it did not show through the surface of the mortar.

The "wall" side of the anchor was attached by nails. Either wood nails for a wooden wall, or concrete nails for a concrete wall.

The frequency of the straps will depend on factors like your local climate, and if you face problems like earthquakes.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
4. Thanks, jeff47!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jun 2013

Is there a time window on nailing into freshly poured concrete? It's been up less than a week.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. Not really.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jun 2013

Concrete nails are designed to go into completely cured concrete. Going into concrete that has not completely finished curing should not matter.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
7. I wouldn't put an expansion fastener into uncured concrete, though.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jun 2013

A tapcon or spiral galvanized concrete nails? Probably okay as long as you don't pound the heck out of them.

I'd probably play it safe and wait for a month or so, but I try to be conservative in such things.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
10. Partially...but primarily because my wife really, really...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jun 2013
really liked the look of the brick on the original path, and I'm trying to find a way to reintroduce it because I know she liked it so much.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. Just a thought here....
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jun 2013

a row of short spreading evergreen shrubs along the top of the cement walls would drape nicely over the "bare" of the walk walls, and if you repeated the same type of short spreading drap-y palntings into the dirt bed to the left of the walkway below the tree.....the contrast in color, texture would soften the cement and add interest to the walk to the door.
That might be an alternative to brick or an addition to the brick effect.
Other perennials could be interspersed among the line of plans, too.

I am a 'soft scape' kind of person..

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
11. Yes, I see what you mean.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jun 2013

I'm sure I'll put more plantings around it, but somehow I need to reintroduce the brick because my wife liked it so much, and I promised her I would do it.

I try to pick my battles...

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
9. Bonding agent and a scratch coat?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

Is it going to be a veneer brick, or a full depth 'real' brick? If 'real', I'd think that's a tad more challenging.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
12. Real brick...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jun 2013

These guys:

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They made up the old walkway. They were set without mortar, so they just need some scrubbing with a stiff brush, and water.

Part of the reason is to be economical in my material costs, but mostly it's because my wife really, really, really liked the look of the brick in front, so I promised to re-introduce it on the wall and planter. And, in that same vein, I set the top of the wall low enough so that the brick cap would be level with the grass behind it.

Thanks for the heads up on expansion bolts in fresh concrete.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
13. Did you include a ledge in the pour for them to sit on?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:39 PM
Jun 2013

If so, I'd think you'd be fine with just concrete nailing in some straps (my opinion would be to wait for a while, though.)

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
14. Yes, there is a small footing for just that purpose around the base of the planter
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:46 PM
Jun 2013

And the walkway will act as the footing for the wall.

When it comes to nails, etc., I was hoping to avoid poking any holes in it; on the other hand, as an old painter I'm cautious about applying coatings, glues, etc., to a surface where partial failure might be an issue and, in this case, I'm thinking of moisture migration from the back side.

Sometimes I confuse myself...

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
15. Well, if you're in a warm climate, I probably wouldn't bother w/ wall ties..
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jun 2013

But if you have cycles of frost/thaw, I can imagine snow / water heaving the bricks away from the planters.

eta: And in any case, I'd suggest weeping holes at the bottom to let moisture out.

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