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anasv

(225 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 04:26 PM Feb 2014

fluorescent tube light bulbs

A couple of at least ten year old fluorescent light bulbs in the garage need replacing.

They're marked Econ-O-Watt Rapid Start Only F40D/RS/EW-B 40 watt. That brand seems kaput.

So I've been grubbing around the Lowe's website, and it's not clear to me if the "lamp shape," i.e. T8, T12, etc. matters. I found on the web that the current bulbs are T12, but T12s are apparently no longer made.

Will a T8 or whatever fit the fixture and work properly with it, or do I have to replace the fixture?

T8s seem to be a smaller diameter, but I can't tell whether or not the pins are spaced differently.

Thanks.

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fluorescent tube light bulbs (Original Post) anasv Feb 2014 OP
The pins on the T8 are the same as the T12 pins, but to convert to T8 you must replace the ballast. PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #1
Thanks. anasv Feb 2014 #2
T12's are available, but Lowe's is a not the best place to buy them... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #3
Maybe this will help... raven mad Feb 2014 #4
thanks, ravens anasv Feb 2014 #7
Recommend... This is a helpful thread for those of us who have these KoKo Feb 2014 #5
I just hired an electrician to upgrade the fixture Auggie Feb 2014 #6

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. The pins on the T8 are the same as the T12 pins, but to convert to T8 you must replace the ballast.
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 04:32 PM
Feb 2014

You may find it easier/cheaper to replace the fixture.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. T12's are available, but Lowe's is a not the best place to buy them...
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 04:58 PM
Feb 2014

K-Mart, hardware stores, and other places have them, but personally, I prefer Home Depot for fluorescent buying because most the ones they carry have color temperature and accuracy information.

The cheapest cool-white and warm-white fluorescents put out a lot of light, but it's a lousy yellowish color. For a little more money you can get tubes that, among other things, imitate an incandescent bulb, sunlight, or north daylight.

A month or so ago I replaced some kitchen cool-white T12s with tubes from HD that have a color temperature of 3200K and a CRI (the measure of accuracy-- 100 is perfect) of 88. The kitchen looks amazingly better, and people walking in notice.

And, you are best to visit the store and not order online-- I used to sell lighting, and breakage seemed to be the norm.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
4. Maybe this will help...
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 05:04 PM
Feb 2014

Spouse of Raven Mad here and I work in the wholesale electrical supply trade.

Yes, you are correct the T12 lamps are gone by federally mandated energy saving mandates.

As for your question, yes the pin spacing is the same BUT the lamps are NOT interchangeable.

The older T12 lamps run on a 40 watt output core and coil ballast which is very energy wasteful.

The T8 lamps are 32 watt and run on electronic ballasts that are very energy efficient.

If you have a quality fixture in your garage where the ballast can be replaced you can put in a 32 watt ballast and the T8 lamps and get a brighter light for less power usage.

If your fixtures have the ballast built into the frame the fixture will need to be replaced. These are usually cheap imported fixtures.

If you do replace the ballast(s) please follow the wiring diagram printed on the ballast because the T8 does wire differently from the T12 style. The wires in the tombstones (lamp sockets) can easily be removed by sliding a paper clip in next to the wire and pushing on both at the same time, the wire then will easily pull out.

Always de-energize the circuit for your safety and so you do not damage the electronic circuitry in the new ballast.

On average it will cost about half the price of replacing the fixture to replace the ballast and install the new lamps.

Lamp color: your old lamp is a "Daylight" in color output. The color output is slightly blue as compared the a standard 100 watt bulb. To match this same color with the new lamps you need to purchase lamps in the 50K color range.

Common nomenclatures are FO32/750/ECO by Sylvania, F32T8/SP50/ECO by GE etc. As long as there is "50" in the number on the lamp you will get a very similar color in the room.

I hope that this is helpful.

Roady Rider

{{{raven mad here - you'll do best by going to a locally owned electrical supply house! They know their stuff, and can pull the fixtures/ballasts/lamps for you, instead of you having to hunt them up. Just DU-mail or reply if you need more info!}}}




KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. Recommend... This is a helpful thread for those of us who have these
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 11:18 PM
Feb 2014

fluorescent lights that will need replacement. We had a heck of a time getting the color correct years ago...and with the new bulbs we were dreading when one of our three would burn out and we couldn't find a replacement.

Very Helpful info!

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