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NEOhiodemocrat

(912 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:02 PM Feb 2012

I am planning a bathroom update

Has anyone here put in tub surround? How hard is this type of job? We will be removing an old surround that leaks around the base of the tub and insulating the outside wall. The original tub will be reused, it is not the type that comes ready to fit with a surround, but a really old iron type tub. I am deciding between two types of surrounds, one smooth surfaced and one that looks like tiles, so has in and outs (not as sharp a contour as real tiles). Does anyone have this type of surround? Would the tile shaped make it harder to keep clean? We have hard water that does make deposits. Also some of the surrounds are 5 piece and others 3 piece, to my mind the three piece would be easier to seal, any opinion on which type would be better? My husband is going to do the work, but I need to pick out which one I want to use. Thanks for any advise!

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I am planning a bathroom update (Original Post) NEOhiodemocrat Feb 2012 OP
Some Answers jeff47 Feb 2012 #1
Thanks Jeff for the imput NEOhiodemocrat Feb 2012 #2

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
1. Some Answers
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:30 PM
Feb 2012
How hard is this type of job?

It depends. Normally, it's pretty easy. But you can run into situations that make it much more difficult. For example, the opening may not be quite the right size. That's much harder than if it is the right size. Since you're removing an old one, it is unlikely that you will have that particular problem.

If the opening is too large, use Durock (aka concrete board) behind the surround to make the opening smaller. It's like drywall, but made from concrete.

If the opening is too small, you're going to have a much more difficult time. Basically, you'll have to figure out a way to cut the surround. This can be very difficult with the 3-piece fiberglass surrounds. 5-piece units are more adjustable.

Assuming you have a standard 5' tub, it is extremely unlikely that the opening is too small, especially if you're tearing down to the studs. It is much more likely to be too large.

Would the tile shaped make it harder to keep clean?

Very slightly. The tile pattern isn't nearly as deep as real tile, and the "grout lines" are much more rounded, causing the surround to drain more completely. That means far less mildew problems than real tile. But smooth will be just a hair easier to clean. Hard water will not have an effect.

Also some of the surrounds are 5 piece and others 3 piece, to my mind the three piece would be easier to seal, any opinion on which type would be better?

The main benefit of a 5-piece is it will fit in a wider variety of openings - you've got more places where you can tweak the size. Tubs have been standard for a very long time though, so it is likely the 3-piece will fit just fine, especially if you are taking a 3-piece out. The three piece indeed is less likely to leak, because there are 2 fewer joints.

One tip most people don't know: Do not put the surround directly on the tub deck (The deck is the horizontal surfaces at the top of the tub - where one often puts shampoo bottles and such). The tub will have a small flange that goes up the wall. You want to overlap that flange with the surround, but leave a 1/8"-1/4" gap between the surround and the tub deck. This is because tubs move up and down, depending on if they're full of water and people or not. That gap will give you room to put in some silicone caulking to seal the bottom of the surround to the tub. Too small a gap and you can't get enough caulking in, and the weight of the water+person will open a gap.

Edit to add 1 other really important tip:
Do not use drywall screws on the tub surround. Drywall screws have what's called a "bugle" head. They are designed to drive the head below the surface of the material you are screwing through. That will easily split a fiberglass tub surround. You want to use what's called "pan head" screws. The back of the screw head must be flat.

NEOhiodemocrat

(912 posts)
2. Thanks Jeff for the imput
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 05:24 PM
Feb 2012

Very helpful. We do have a 3 piece surround in place now, so that should work. I am glad to hear that the tile type will not cause much problems, I liked the look, so I am willing to do some more work for it. I will let my husband know about the screws and gap, I am sure he was planning on putting it as close to the tub as possible, I didn't know about the movement of the tub, good info.

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