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Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:27 PM Nov 2012

I found this on FB and want to know if this is really happening.

I posted in GD about this and was recommended to post it here to find answers. With such need, the thought that an org, that is suppose to help people doing this turns my stomach. I just want to find out if it is true.

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I found this on FB and want to know if this is really happening. (Original Post) Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 OP
Unfortunately the Salvation Army is Not Neutral fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #1
my old local SA branch fires employees determined to be gay. I know 3 people who were canned and msongs Nov 2012 #2
That is unfair treatment under the law libodem Nov 2012 #14
On the contrary, it is perfectly legal in many states, including mine. yardwork Nov 2012 #15
I still wish if they do get any federal tax dollars libodem Nov 2012 #17
True fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #24
wiki sez it is true........ kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #3
Yea,pretty much. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #4
"Practicing homosexuals" huh? yardwork Nov 2012 #16
This is from their website. Not me. The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #20
If you disagree with the Salvation Army it would be good to say so. yardwork Nov 2012 #21
yardwork, I totally DISagree with the salvation army. Got it.The OP wanted know if the letter was The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #22
Thank you for clarifying! I really was not sure what you meant. yardwork Nov 2012 #23
I quit donating to them when broiles Nov 2012 #5
And that says it all. fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #7
I did as well.... Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #8
I Drop a Note In Their Pot fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #9
Sadly, yes. liberalmuse Nov 2012 #6
Has there been any threats to stop helping people in the hurricane area? Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #10
This is true. I worked for Food for Lane County in the Springfield, OR family dining enter. Nika Nov 2012 #11
Nika fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #19
I didn't know this! mimi85 Nov 2012 #12
I didn't know this. I may drop a note or two myself in the CLE area. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #13
You'll feel great if you do! fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
They closed the local Salvation Army Helen Reddy Nov 2012 #25

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
1. Unfortunately the Salvation Army is Not Neutral
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:34 PM
Nov 2012

...on gay rights or gay marriage.

They spend donated money OPPOSING both.

The poster you reference is regrettably an accurate reflection of the views of the Salvation Army.

Give your money to a charity that has more charity.

msongs

(67,420 posts)
2. my old local SA branch fires employees determined to be gay. I know 3 people who were canned and
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:35 PM
Nov 2012

others who were asked to quit volunteering as well

libodem

(19,288 posts)
14. That is unfair treatment under the law
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:20 PM
Nov 2012

I hope if the get any of that 'faith based initiative' money it gets taken back. Eff them!

God, that infuriates me.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
15. On the contrary, it is perfectly legal in many states, including mine.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:55 PM
Nov 2012

Many states allow people to be fired from their jobs simply for stating that they are gay. It is not illegal.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
17. I still wish if they do get any federal tax dollars
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:18 PM
Nov 2012

That they couldn't use it for discrimination. It ought to be yanked. Private discrimination is still sick and wrong but that wouldn't be being paid for by you and me.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
24. True
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:51 PM
Nov 2012

....and that should be changed for employers; however, almost all jurisdictions that I am aware of who have nondiscrimination laws based on sexual orientation regrettably make exceptions for religious organizations, like the Salvation Army. Those juridictions need to put political pressure on business who have non discrimination policies to not give the Salvation Army a forum for their bigotry at Christmas time.

 

kooljerk666

(776 posts)
3. wiki sez it is true........
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:35 PM
Nov 2012

In 2004, The Salvation Army said they would close operations in New York City unless it was exempted from a municipal ordinance requiring them to offer benefits to gay employees’ partners. The City Council refused to make the exemption. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's administration chose not to enforce the ordinance. The administration right to decline to enforce was upheld by the New York State Court of Appeals in 2006.[45]

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army#United_States

and first sentence in wiki is "The Salvation Army is a Christian denomination and international movement.........".

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
4. Yea,pretty much.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:36 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:28 PM - Edit history (1)

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army
excerpt;
Practicing homosexuals are "ineligible for full membership" in The Salvation Army.[21] However, The Salvation Army offers its services to all who are in need, regardless of sexual orientation, and opposes the abuse of people based on sexual orientation.[22] The organization also believes Christians who are attracted to the same sex should "embrace celibacy as a way of life.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
16. "Practicing homosexuals" huh?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:56 PM
Nov 2012

You don't consider it an "abuse of people based on sexual orientation" to deny gay people the right to be members of the Salvation Army?

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
21. If you disagree with the Salvation Army it would be good to say so.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nov 2012

It isn't clear to me from your post if you are simply reporting or if you agree.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
22. yardwork, I totally DISagree with the salvation army. Got it.The OP wanted know if the letter was
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:17 PM
Nov 2012

representative of the creed of the Salvation Army. I looked it up and posted the clip to show that from this it seems that it is true. I am a person who believes in individual civil rights. I do not support what is being said here. I fight against unfair treatment any where I see it.

I didn't have the quotes up on my first post so I see the confusion.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
7. And that says it all.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:40 PM
Nov 2012

I'ved lobbied Giant Foods to STOP allowing them to solicit money outside their grocery stores.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
8. I did as well....
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:40 PM
Nov 2012

When I pass their little bell ringers at the holidays I am always polite but I say, loudly enough for everyone within normal hearing distance to hear, "I don't give to bigoted organizations that pretend to be Christians and discriminate. I suggest everyone else consider boycotting this organization until they read the Bible."

The poor bell ringer is usually caught off guard but so what.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
9. I Drop a Note In Their Pot
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:44 PM
Nov 2012

...with a written comment that says I give to charitable organizations who serve the poor without being homophobic as the Salvation Army is.

Would love to be the fly on the wall when they eventually read.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
10. Has there been any threats to stop helping people in the hurricane area?
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:04 PM
Nov 2012

I really can't put it pass a lot of these groups after what I saw in Joplin.

Nika

(546 posts)
11. This is true. I worked for Food for Lane County in the Springfield, OR family dining enter.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:53 PM
Nov 2012

It was located in the Salvation Army center in that city.

They protested my presence there as a Transgender woman (I had just started homones and don't look as good as I do today).

They lost the battle, but they successed in bad vibing me at every turn and making me feel perpetually unloved and unwanted there.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
12. I didn't know this!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:37 AM
Nov 2012

My beautiful bi-racial gay grandson is the love of my life. Screw the Salvation Army - last time they'll get anything from me!

 

Helen Reddy

(998 posts)
25. They closed the local Salvation Army
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:16 AM
Nov 2012

in the small(ish) town where my parents lived. The newspaper claimed they lost the lease in the strip mall they were in. Goodwill opened another thrift store soon thereafter.

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