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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:09 PM Nov 2014

How Marijuana Really Affects the Brain

Although there’s a lot of buzz about marijuana being nonaddictive, the evidence is stacking up that people can — and do — become dependent on the drug. A study released earlier this year, for example, found that 40 percent of marijuana users in an outpatient treatment program showed signs of withdrawal, a classic indicator of addiction. Now, new research in the journal PNAS sheds light on how lighting up changes the brain — and potentially primes people for withdrawal.

It’s long been known that exposure to THC, the primary psychoactive ingredient in pot, can lead to changes in the brain. Problem is, different studies have shown different structural alterations, making it difficult to pinpoint exactly how the stuff affects people mentally. That’s why a group of researchers decided to use three different magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) techniques to examine the brains of 48 chronic marijuana users and 62 nonusers, while also assessing IQ and negative life consequences of pot smoking.

The most obvious difference: The people who regularly toked up had less volume in the orbitofrontal gyri. This brain region is part of the orbitofrontal cortex, “one of the primary areas within the reward system, which is basically a network of brain regions implicated in the addiction process,” said study author Francesca Filbey, an addiction researcher at the Center for BrainHealth at the University of Texas at Dallas. “More specifically, the orbitofrontal cortex is important for decision-making. This is the area of the brain that would learn something is good for us or bad for us.”

So why does pot cause shrinkage in this area? Simple: The orbitofrontal cortex is highly concentrated with cannabinoid receptors, the places in your brain where THC binds. As a result, it’s much more vulnerable to the effects of a chronic flood of the substance. In animal studies, “the number of those receptors decreased as a result of THC exposure as a way to regain balance in that system,” Filbey told Yahoo Health. “So too much THC basically leads to lower numbers of those receptors in the brain.”

https://www.yahoo.com/health/how-marijuana-really-affects-the-brain-102531080862.html

I wasn't sure whether to post this here or the science forum but choose here even though I don't think it should be illegal. More addictive & harmful substances are already legal & I feel it is important to know how things put into your body affect you.

After the addiction, it becomes less clear. Longer use probably would cause shrinkage or change other areas of the brain. Though I'm not sure what they mean by "withdrawal". I personally felt somewhat irritable & maybe a little anxiety but not much more than that (I usually go 6-12 months apart between a 1-2 weeks of regular use -- once in a blue moon kind a thing)

Link to study
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/11/05/1415297111.full.pdf+html

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How Marijuana Really Affects the Brain (Original Post) JonLP24 Nov 2014 OP
Causation? Sorry. Not in this study Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #1
Yea JonLP24 Nov 2014 #4
Surprise! A bunch of researchers from "Lock 'em up and Throw Away The Key" Texas MADem Nov 2014 #2
Not this shit again. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #3
I didn't mean to get that going JonLP24 Nov 2014 #6
" it may be addicting" - no it isn't addicting. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #8
I agree it isn't physically addicting JonLP24 Nov 2014 #11
Right so when articles claim addiction they are deliberately conflating Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #14
You can't compare pot withdrawl to any other kind of drug withdrawl Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #5
I understand that JonLP24 Nov 2014 #7
I'm sorry I didn't mean to direct that comment at you Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #10
I'm glad you posted this. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #9
The stuey is poorly done JonLP24 Nov 2014 #12
One can be normal and healthy, or one can "get high" or "catch a buzz".... NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #16
"But I think it has addictive qualities " Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #15
It's addictive, Warren Stupidity. But it's OK, it's not as bad as alcohol or tobacco. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #17
Your type of fine folks have working people tested randomly. imthevicar Nov 2014 #13
Me? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #18
 

Hari Seldon

(154 posts)
1. Causation? Sorry. Not in this study
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:17 PM
Nov 2014
Despite the observed age of onset effects, longitudinal studies are needed to determine causality of these effects.


so the abstract does not exactly match the data

at least the study group was 48 whole people

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. Yea
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:23 PM
Nov 2014

Becomes less clear after the addiction part which I think is a little bit. It isn't like you'll end up using so much that you end up with DTs or new some Aitch to stop the muscle aches.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Surprise! A bunch of researchers from "Lock 'em up and Throw Away The Key" Texas
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:20 PM
Nov 2014

don't like weed.

Neither does the state of TX, as I remember...didn't they used to impose a life sentence for the stuff?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. Not this shit again.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:20 PM
Nov 2014

The most serious health risk from marijuana is in-carceration. It is a deadly malady that can easily be cured.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. I didn't mean to get that going
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:26 PM
Nov 2014

I felt this may have been the inappropriate form. Came across a new article that was recommended for me so I shared.

The study doesn't really have any definitive results except that it may be addicting. So are a lot of things, some more than others such as all other commonly used substances besides marijuana.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
8. " it may be addicting" - no it isn't addicting.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:38 PM
Nov 2014

All the studies so far claiming "addiction" have used data that includes people compelled into treatment programs by the legal system to boost their statistics and/or have resorted to conflating addiction with other behavioral problems where the "cannabis dependency" is a symptom of other underlying disorders. In other words, people with mental health problems self medicating with cannabis. What they can't demonstrate is any actual physical addiction, as one can with opiates, with cocaine, with alcohol, with tobacco, and even to a slight extent with caffeine.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. I agree it isn't physically addicting
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:57 PM
Nov 2014

Such as the withdrawals, cravings.

Maybe the other addicting part can maybe they like too much to quit? People get hooked on other substances for the same self-medicating reason.

It looks like it could be a debate that goes on for years
http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/19/is-marijuana-addictive-it-depends-how-you-define-addiction/

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. Right so when articles claim addiction they are deliberately conflating
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:42 AM
Nov 2014

physical addiction with dependency. They do that for propaganda reasons. To scare you.

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
5. You can't compare pot withdrawl to any other kind of drug withdrawl
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:26 PM
Nov 2014

Pot withdrawal causes trouble falling asleep, problems with appetite and irritability. These are all processes that are controlled at least in part by cannabinoid receptors. Cocaine withdrawal can cause extreme depression, trying to get off meth often cause extreme paranoid hallucinations and heroin withdrawal can fucking kill you. The problems that occur while trying to stop using pot also don't last for more then a couple days. Most of the other illegal drugs can last for months.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. I understand that
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:35 PM
Nov 2014

I don't think I did except to say it isn't as bad.

I tried the others. Well cocaine was way too expensive, edgy for 15 minutes then it went away. Why would I want that? The other was more addicting whenever I was drunk as hell. Other than that, not for me. I'd describe the withdrawal as sleeping it off which I could do. I like sleeping & eating too much so I never got into it. The hallucinations were more likely from up too long though my paranoia always seemed to be based on logic more than others. People all of sudden suspecting I'm a cop and going the extra mile to be careful. That kind of thing.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. I'm glad you posted this.
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:44 PM
Nov 2014

Don't let anyone get you down.

Some people only want to hear what they want to hear and will attack anything that doesn't fit their world view.

The strength and potency has grown over time, I'm glad I quit years ago, it made me paranoid and want to get un-high.

Medical uses, great. Recreational, whatever floats your boat.

But I think it has addictive qualities and it definitely impairs one's ability to drive and do a few other things, so it's not entirely benign.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
12. The stuey is poorly done
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 12:03 AM
Nov 2014

Warren and among others did a good job pointing out the flaws.

I don't believe that there is not one single harmful thing but the risks are low.

I've had those same experiences but usually if I go awhile like 6 months or so and the first hit sends me into a panic if I'm in a social situation. By myself I'm fine.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. One can be normal and healthy, or one can "get high" or "catch a buzz"....
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:25 AM
Nov 2014

IMO, one can't be both because our bodies and our minds have evolved to very sophisticated and sensitive states.


The same is true for tobacco and alcohol use and of particular concern for young bodies and minds: These are foreign chemical compounds that the body doesn't need and doesn't want, and they INTERFERE with normal development.

Fairly benign, but by no means are any of these without effect. The degree to which pot is physically or psychologically addictive is going to vary by individual and continue to be studied for generations to come.

From the American Psychological Association:

More people support marijuana use, but they are frequently misinformed about the drug’s dangers and its addictive nature, said Nora D. Volkow, MD, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse. She spoke at a March 8 congressional briefing in Washington, D.C.

Her talk, part of the “Friends of NIDA” series co-sponsored by APA, gave congressional aides and policymakers the latest research findings on marijuana’s harms and benefits. One-third of Americans have tried marijuana at least once, Volkow said, making it the most commonly used illegal drug in the United States — and a prime target for research. NIDA estimates that about 9 percent of frequent marijuana users are dependent on the drug.

“People take marijuana for the same reason they take other drugs: They make you feel good,” Volkow said.

That good feeling is tied to the dopamine-based reward system in the brain’s nucleus accumbens region. Compounds in marijuana bind to the brain’s cannabinoid receptors, triggering dopamine release and resulting in a high. Long-term use of marijuana not only increases the amount of the drug that users need to reach the same high, it also inhibits the brain’s natural cannabinoids. As a result, over time users feel dysphoric and “off” if they haven’t recently taken marijuana. Marijuana also targets and interferes with cannabinoid receptors in areas of the brain crucial to a number of cognitive functions, especially the cerebellum (movement), hippocampus (memory) and amygdala (emotional control).

Interfering with those cognitive processes is particularly dangerous for young people’s developing brains, Volkow said, and there’s evidence to suggest using marijuana at an early age can have lifetime consequences. Twin studies show that people exposed to marijuana as young teens are more likely to become dependent on other drugs, such as cocaine and painkillers.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/05/marijuana.aspx


This is a good read, too:



Four lines of evidence all substantiate that marijuana is addictive: basic neuroscience, animal studies, clinical reports of human experience with marijuana, and epidemiology. Data from these four areas of scientific research corroborate each other and interweave fluidly to dispel the myth that marijuana is not addictive.

In order to place the following information in its proper perspective, medicine's current understanding of how marijuana interacts with the brain needs to be outlined. Scientific research has discovered an extensive system of nerves within the brain that communicate with each other using the same basic chemistry found in marijuana. The THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and similar molecules in marijuana are able to affect the brain by mimicking our natural neurotransmitters and flooding receptor sites with stimulation. All the cannabinoid-based areas of the brain are subsequently activated beyond normal physiological levels by using marijuana.

While we are only beginning to unravel the pervasive role the endocannabinoid (i.e., the brain's naturally occurring THC-like molecules) system plays in overall brain function, Raphael Mechoulam, one of the most important pioneers in cannabinoid research, has declared that "The cannabinoid receptors are found in higher concentrations than any other receptor in the brain... and the endocannabinoid system acts essentially in just about every physiological system that people have looked into, so it appears to be a very central system.&quot 2)

http://www.csam-asam.org/marijuanas-addictive-potential-healthcare-professionals
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
17. It's addictive, Warren Stupidity. But it's OK, it's not as bad as alcohol or tobacco.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:30 AM
Nov 2014

But by no means is it benign and harmless to use, especially for young people who are still developing physically and emotionally.

I'm of the opinion that prolonged and chronic pot use severely slows development of social and cognitive skills.

Sometimes the caricatures are accurate...

Anyway, the preponderance of evidence suggests that it's best to keep a clear head and steer clear of mind-altering substances altogether, if you want to live a healthy and natural life. For medical purposes, of course, it's worth the risk.



Four lines of evidence all substantiate that marijuana is addictive: basic neuroscience, animal studies, clinical reports of human experience with marijuana, and epidemiology. Data from these four areas of scientific research corroborate each other and interweave fluidly to dispel the myth that marijuana is not addictive.

In order to place the following information in its proper perspective, medicine's current understanding of how marijuana interacts with the brain needs to be outlined. Scientific research has discovered an extensive system of nerves within the brain that communicate with each other using the same basic chemistry found in marijuana. The THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and similar molecules in marijuana are able to affect the brain by mimicking our natural neurotransmitters and flooding receptor sites with stimulation. All the cannabinoid-based areas of the brain are subsequently activated beyond normal physiological levels by using marijuana.

While we are only beginning to unravel the pervasive role the endocannabinoid (i.e., the brain's naturally occurring THC-like molecules) system plays in overall brain function, Raphael Mechoulam, one of the most important pioneers in cannabinoid research, has declared that "The cannabinoid receptors are found in higher concentrations than any other receptor in the brain... and the endocannabinoid system acts essentially in just about every physiological system that people have looked into, so it appears to be a very central system.&quot 2)

http://www.csam-asam.org/marijuanas-addictive-potential-healthcare-professionals
 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
13. Your type of fine folks have working people tested randomly.
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:54 AM
Nov 2014

So now instead of working through each day almost pain free. every day is agony. Do me a favor, go to the beach, look around, see all that sand? GO POUND IT!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
18. Me?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:58 PM
Nov 2014

You can search my name and marijuana and you'll easily see what side of the fence I'm on. All I did was post a study and argued against the results though most of the results were inconclusive based on their own admission.

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