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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:58 PM Jan 2013

my streamlined proposal

The linchpin is Medicaid. Although mainly thought of as a safety-net program for the poor, Medicaid provides about half of state mental health budgets. “Medicaid is hands down the most important source of funding for public mental health services,” says Ron Honberg, the director for policy and legal affairs at the National Alliance on Mental Illness. But the recession and the Republican-led effort to slash social spending have put enormous pressure on those budgets.

Blowback is a bitch and the law of unintended consequences is always enforced.
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But two things have happened since to turn that around. The stimulus funds dried up. And the Supreme Court’s decision on the health-care law, while preserving the individual mandate to purchase coverage, struck down the other mandate requiring states to expand their Medicaid programs. It’s now optional.

Without the stimulus to fill their Medicaid coffers, states were forced to cut mental health services and restrict eligibility for care. No evidence has emerged that Adam Lanza depended on Medicaid; his family appears to have been financially stable. But care for the non-poor mentally ill—paid for through state general funds—has been especially hard hit by the recession, because many states are diverting general funds to preserve their Medicaid budgets and qualify for federal matching funds.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-19/to-prevent-massacres-like-newtowns-expand-medicaid#r=lr-fs

Blackmail the Republican control house to get behind more money to Medicaid
require or strongly encourage NICS for private sales. I suggest adding more lines to their call centers and lifting the ban on "kitchen table dealers" to deal with the volume
Bill Ruger's idea on magazines.
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my streamlined proposal (Original Post) gejohnston Jan 2013 OP
this meets the SoP ? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #1
Gun politics and violence gejohnston Jan 2013 #2
ok. need to think on this, thanks for posting. will read link, later. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #3
Now yer talkin'. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #4
k & r discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #5
Here's what most people don't know. upaloopa Jan 2013 #6
that is why I said gejohnston Jan 2013 #7
I don't understand. I was told by the gun lobby that upaloopa Jan 2013 #8
yeah, but you missed the point gejohnston Jan 2013 #9
The war on drugs is a complete waste of money for sure upaloopa Jan 2013 #10
one thing I noticed gejohnston Jan 2013 #11

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
2. Gun politics and violence
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jan 2013

The article basically says more money for Medicare would do more than a gun or magazine ban.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
6. Here's what most people don't know.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jan 2013

I work for a CA county mental health dept. Medicaid money comes from the federal government and is given to the States.
In CA the program is called Medi-cal. Through what's called realignment the State has mandated that the counties provide the mental health services. If a client is eligible for Medi-Cal we bill the state for the service and receive payment equal to 1/2 what we bill. The billing amount is also mandated. The county has to fund the other 1/2. That comes from Federal and State grants, vehicle license fees, taxes on the wealthy earning over $1 million / yr. and sales tax revenue. That is not enough so we also get money from county general fund or property tax. Our income is limited and we cannot by law operate in a deficit position so we are limited by revenue as to the amount of services we can provide. We either have to operate with less spending or get more revenue.
My point is that to call for better mental health services we need to pay more into our counties to cover it.
Maybe we can put a tax on guns and ammo to pay for more mental health services. The gunners say mental health services is the answer to gun violence.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. that is why I said
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jan 2013

Blackmail the Republicans coughing up the money. The money can come from several places, like dismantling the Empire for example. Imagine the cost of sending a family of four to Germany every three years and bringing them back, multiply that by 52,440. That is just the cost of rotating personnel. Never mind all of the other costs associated with operating and maintaining the bases.

Maybe we can put a tax on guns and ammo to pay for more mental health services. The gunners say mental health services is the answer to gun violence.
there has been an 11 percent tax since 1919 which went into the general fund until 1937. Since 1937, the money goes to the states for wildlife restoration and other environmental projects. It was a change pushed mainly by gunners. (which is why I think the Cincinnati revolt and corporate take over of the NRA was partly an attack on the environmental movement's flank). Since almost no gun owner contributes to or benefits from gun violence I don't think it is proper to dump the entire bill on us. Since most gun violence amounts to drug dealers killing each other in cities over 250K, it would be a pretty hard sell.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. I don't understand. I was told by the gun lobby that
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:51 PM
Jan 2013

To prevent killing like that in CT we need better mental health services. That was not drug related. No gun owners should not foot the whole bill but a tax on guns and ammo could help pay for more mental health services. Also increase in sales tax and vehicle license fees would help. The problem is everyone wants better mental health service but no one wants to pay for it. Already I am forced to take a week of without pay, no COLA, no raises, a two tear pension system and no new hires. Surely we all can pay a bit more.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
9. yeah, but you missed the point
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jan 2013

I have no problem with adding another four percent to the current PR tax for that. I would also add a federal tax on "smoking supplies" pipes etc.
I was speaking of gun violence in general, which I thought you were as well. End drug prohibition and tax and regulate pot like beer. That would affect gun and gang violence in general

I'm not a fan of regressive taxes anyway, that is why I said take it from the Empire. What threat does Germany face that the Bundeswehr can't handle? Many of their former enemies are now part of NATO. The rest no longer exist. We have the money, we just piss it away. The founders wanted a Swiss type military. That would free up $700 billion a year in funds.
Dismantle the empire and do just that. Granted the short term unemployment will be a problem, but nothing tariffs and dropping out of WTO can't cure.

Have to edit one thing, the 52K+ number doesn't include DoD civilian employees and their families like DoDDs teachers for example.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
11. one thing I noticed
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jan 2013

was that although our federal gun laws outside of NFA were almost nonexistent and basically true of the states outside of NY and the Carolinas, the use of guns in murders were lower before Nixon started the WOD. Why? I have two theories
"bad guys" in books and movies at that time usually had knifes. Movies like Rebel without a Cause and High School Confidential were largely responsible for the hysteria that pushed for the federal switchblade ban in 1958.
theory two
the WOD pushed the price of drugs up so low level dealers could actually afford a gun.
What a lot of gun folks don't get is that the Republicans would still get a gun ban, just using different means. (Yeah you can own it, but have fun finding a living wage job where you could afford it.) That is partly why there was no market for civilian machine guns before NFA was passed. When Colt put the BAR on the civilian market after WWI. they sold zero.

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