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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:26 AM Feb 2013

Feinstein gun bill plugs state ban holes

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Feinstein-gun-bill-plugs-state-ban-holes-4246558.php

Sen. Dianne Feinstein's push for a national ban on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines is focusing attention on California's decision 23 years ago to prohibit some military-style guns, a pioneering move that also sprang from a school massacre.

But while Feinstein's bill is patterned after the California ban, it seeks to avoid some of the pitfalls of a state law that still stirs fierce debate - over whether it is fair, whether it has made people safer, and whether loopholes have rendered it meaningless.

The California ban outlawed the sale of some rifles and pistols capable of rapid-fire attacks, but left many others legal. It survived court challenges, but gun makers found ways around it, selling firearms that were similar to banned ones.

Guns purchased before the ban were protected by a grandfather clause. And criminals exploited looser gun-buying laws in Nevada, Arizona and other nearby states, bringing forbidden weapons back over the border.

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Feinstein gun bill plugs state ban holes (Original Post) jpak Feb 2013 OP
The sound of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #1
The good news is that the new DiFi bill is going nowhere ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #2
I'm bulliish on gun massacres - they're going places! jpak Feb 2013 #4
let's hope you're right....disarming me doesn't make my family safer. ileus Feb 2013 #25
Feinstein's AWB is DOA. nick of time Feb 2013 #3
Snowe is gone - and there are only 2 red-state Dems that actually oppose it jpak Feb 2013 #5
Sorry, I meant Susan Collins. nick of time Feb 2013 #6
Collins is a repug - what do you expect from her? jpak Feb 2013 #8
Your own link says he probably won't support and that's nick of time Feb 2013 #10
He's my Senator and he hasn't made up his mind jpak Feb 2013 #11
The evidence says otherwise. nick of time Feb 2013 #12
Make-believe is not evidence jpak Feb 2013 #13
One more time. nick of time Feb 2013 #16
You went from he's cool with it nick of time Feb 2013 #14
He hasn't made up his mind and is cool with it. jpak Feb 2013 #15
I'm very sorry that you can't admit that you're wrong. nick of time Feb 2013 #17
Oh I'm right jpak Feb 2013 #18
Uh huh. nick of time Feb 2013 #19
The bill... Puha Ekapi Feb 2013 #7
NRA douchebaggery is the ultimate abortion of cosmetic idiocy jpak Feb 2013 #9
You had something... Puha Ekapi Feb 2013 #20
The stupidity of the AWB in two pictures hack89 Feb 2013 #21
The top one is for assholes who fear Black Helicopters jpak Feb 2013 #22
They are the same weapon. hack89 Feb 2013 #23
Because guardian Feb 2013 #24
Having a pistol grip... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #27
some are in denial Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #26
 

nick of time

(651 posts)
3. Feinstein's AWB is DOA.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:43 AM
Feb 2013

There are now at least 6 red state Dems opposed, Sen. Susan Collins is saying she will oppose it despite her voting for the last one, Reid and Leahy are refusing to endorse it.
Feinstein pretty much ruined her chances of getting it through the Senate when she refused to vote for the talking filibuster, and the House is controlled by the repukes.
Did I get anything wrong?

jpak

(41,758 posts)
5. Snowe is gone - and there are only 2 red-state Dems that actually oppose it
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
Feb 2013

Leahy and Reid have not ENDORSED it - they have not OPPOSED it either.

try again

yup

 

nick of time

(651 posts)
6. Sorry, I meant Susan Collins.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:05 AM
Feb 2013
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html



The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.


Add another red state Dem who has come out against it, Joe Donnelly D-IN.

Where am I wrong?
I know how bad you want this, but you're just going to have to face the fact that Feinstein's AWB is not going to happen.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
8. Collins is a repug - what do you expect from her?
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:55 PM
Feb 2013

"expressed skepticism" is not the same thing as "will vote against".

King has not opposed the ban - he is Cool Toward It...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/angus-king-weapons-ban_n_2502367.html

Try again.

Yup

 

nick of time

(651 posts)
10. Your own link says he probably won't support and that's
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:07 PM
Feb 2013

from 1/18/2013, the link I posted is from 1/25/2013.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.



Sounds like he's made up his mind.
Susan Collins supported the last AWB and now she opposes an new AWB.
Face the fact, Feinstein's new AWB is DOA. You, my friend, are grasping at straws.
 

nick of time

(651 posts)
12. The evidence says otherwise.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:12 PM
Feb 2013
The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
13. Make-believe is not evidence
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:18 PM
Feb 2013

"But he said he hasn't decided whether to embrace the president's call to ban new assault weapons."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/angus-king-weapons-ban_n_2502367.html

Enjoy your stay on Fantasy Island!

yup

 

nick of time

(651 posts)
14. You went from he's cool with it
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:20 PM
Feb 2013

to he hasn't made up his mind. Which is it?
Also your quoting from an article from 1/18/2013 while my article is from 1/25/2013.
Sure sounds like he's made up his mind.

 

nick of time

(651 posts)
17. I'm very sorry that you can't admit that you're wrong.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:25 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.
 

nick of time

(651 posts)
19. Uh huh.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:38 PM
Feb 2013

I've already proven you're wrong, so if you say I'm wrong, then provide the proof, otherwise your saying so doesn't make it so.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
7. The bill...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:53 AM
Feb 2013

....is still an abortion of cosmetic idiocy, banning some on the basis of *scariness* factors while allowing functionally identical equivalents that don't have things like pistol grips or barrel shrouds. It is not legislation designed to improve public safety in any way, rather, it appears more like a middle finger aimed at gun owners.

And it will rightfully fail.

yup

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
20. You had something...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:49 PM
Feb 2013

...to say in response to my post? It must have been lost in your jumbled word salad.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. The stupidity of the AWB in two pictures
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:02 PM
Feb 2013

This gun is specifically called out in the legislation as being illegal under the AWB:




This gun is specifically called out in the legislation as being legal under the AWB:



They are both Ruger Mini-14s

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14TacticalRifle/models.html

jpak

(41,758 posts)
22. The top one is for assholes who fear Black Helicopters
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:19 PM
Feb 2013

and would be rightly banned.

The bottom variant needs a 7 round clip to be OK.

Yup

 

guardian

(2,282 posts)
24. Because
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:07 PM
Feb 2013

pistol grips make antigunners think about penises. And barrel shrouds remind them of condoms. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry scary.

Assault whale with 'pistol grip'

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
27. Having a pistol grip...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:52 PM
Feb 2013

...makes a gun "look" deadly, kind of like a racing stripe makes a car "look" fast.

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