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Eugene

(61,964 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:44 AM Mar 2013

Colorado governor will sign three gun control measures on Wednesday

Source: Reuters

Colorado governor will sign three gun control measures on Wednesday

By Keith Coffman
DENVER | Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:07pm EDT

(Reuters) - Colorado's governor will sign three gun control bills into law on Wednesday, including one banning ammunition magazines with more than 15 rounds in a state that has experienced two of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.

The measures that Democratic Governor John Hickenlooper will sign also include a bill requiring universal background checks for gun buyers, and another that requires gun buyers to pay for their own background checks, said the governor's spokesman, Eric Brown.

The bills passed both chambers of the Colorado state legislature last week as part of a package of gun control legislation that followed months of heated discussion and pushed Colorado to the forefront of a national gun control debate.

The state Senate has also approved legislation banning online certification for concealed-carry permits, but the measure was still pending in the state House. Another pending measure could bar gun purchases by domestic violence offenders, although Hickenlooper had previously said he was undecided about that measure until he sees the final wording.

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Colorado governor will sign three gun control measures on Wednesday (Original Post) Eugene Mar 2013 OP
Magpul responds. SayWut Mar 2013 #1
Hopefully they can facilitate moving any employees who wish to follow them sarisataka Mar 2013 #2
And he's going to cost quite a few jobs doing it. Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #3
Specialty Sports!........... rdharma Mar 2013 #6
Millions in tax revenue for Co Springs yearly Buh By ....NT Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #7
So you support employees being laid off as companies move? Travis_0004 Mar 2013 #8
Actually it apears that quite a few of the Specialty Sports guys will be leaving with the owner Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #9
I'm sure there's a Walmart somewhere that needs greeters. nt rdharma Mar 2013 #10
That statement is more asinine than your usual twaddle. guardian Mar 2013 #12
You do know your original meth lab comment is still visible right? Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #13
My how compassionate rdharma Mar 2013 #20
Nobody is making them move, Travis_0004 Mar 2013 #30
None of this has any bearing on the fact that you've made it explicitly clear Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #39
I'm not the one firing them, my friend! nt rdharma Mar 2013 #41
hit.nail.head Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #43
Way to keep it classy. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #14
Feeling bad for our friends in Co. ileus Mar 2013 #4
A Democratic governor signing progressive legislation sure does bring out a whole slew of angry apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #5
A Democratic governor pandering to idiots by signing useless, feel-good legislation... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #15
Case in point right here, folks. ^^^ apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #16
By "idiots" the replier means: progressives and liberals, who made up the bulk of the support for apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #17
You should avoid putting words in other people's mouths. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #21
From "There: fixed it for you,"* i.e., changing the words of my reply, to "You should avoid putting apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #22
Of course you said precisely what you meant: you think the Democratic legislature and Democratic apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #23
See above. Repeat as needed. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #24
Pointing out what you've POSTED is hardly telling you what you think, although one must apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #25
"Every subsequent reply by me has been a spot-on analysis..." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #26
There's still time to edit/self-delete your offerings above, as the "walk-back isn't going apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #29
Oh, and do try and read with greater care. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #27
"Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking." <--Just going to leave this here. Link: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #28
As opposed to "telling you what to think." How's that foot taste? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #31
Keep digging; the rest of us will keep laughing. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #32
It's right there in black and white, kiddo. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #34
Liz's #24: "Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking" vs Liz's #27: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #37
Liz's #24: "Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking" vs Liz's #27: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #33
Consider remedial education in reading. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #35
Now, projection. Textbook. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #36
Now, bullshit amateur psychoanalysis. Textbook. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #42
Liz's #24: "Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking" vs Liz's #27: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #44
A simple "no" would suffice. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #45
You go right on believing that, if you wish, sunshine. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #47
Aw. Robb Mar 2013 #19
missing element DustyJoe Mar 2013 #40
NOW..... the CO gun show loop hole has been closed! nt rdharma Mar 2013 #11
Colorado and New York have both led the way in advancing new, sensible legislation to curb apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #18
So you Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #38
So you apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #46
 

SayWut

(153 posts)
1. Magpul responds.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:03 AM
Mar 2013

I hope they follow through on this and aren't just rattling their sabres.

Apparently Gov Hickenlooper has announced that he will sign HB 1224 on Wednesday. We were asked for our reaction, and here is what we said:

We have said all along that based on the legal problems and uncertainties in the bill, as well as general principle, we will have no choice but to leave if the Governor signs this into law. We will start our transition out of the state almost immediately, and we will prioritize moving magazine manufacturing operations first. We expect the first PMAGs to be made outside CO within 30 days of the signing, with the rest to follow in phases. We will likely become a multi-state operation as a result of this move, and not all locations have been selected. We have made some initial contacts and evaluated a list of new potential locations for additional manufacturing and the new company headquarters, and we will begin talks with various state representatives in earnest if the Governor indeed signs this legislation. Although we are agile for a company of our size, it is still a significant footprint, and we will perform this move in a manner that is best for the company and our employees.

It is disappointing to us that money and a social agenda from outside the state have apparently penetrated the American West to control our legislature and Governor, but we feel confident that Colorado residents can still take the state back through recalls, ballot initiatives, and the 2014 election to undo these wrongs against responsible Citizens.


https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/574891122523241

sarisataka

(18,792 posts)
2. Hopefully they can facilitate moving any employees who wish to follow them
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:32 PM
Mar 2013

It seems they do wish to retain as many as possible.

I fear the last paragraph is a harbinger of what is to come and the cost of authoritarians meddling in local politics...

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
3. And he's going to cost quite a few jobs doing it.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
Mar 2013

Magpul isn't the only company that's pulling stakes.

Specialty Sports and Supply is canceling plans to open two new stores and the owner is moving the corporate offices out of state.

And the Colorado Association of County Sheriffs is planning a class action suit.

Much as I hate to see folks lose their jobs I support both business owners in their decisions

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
9. Actually it apears that quite a few of the Specialty Sports guys will be leaving with the owner
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 10:04 AM
Mar 2013

which equates to more tax revenue and potential dollars spent leaving the state

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
13. You do know your original meth lab comment is still visible right?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:23 PM
Mar 2013

That's just vile, do you not realize that you are talking about real people with real children to feed and real bills to pay?

Fuck 'em though, they're just a bunch of republican rednecks right? (whether they are or not)

My how compassionate

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
20. My how compassionate
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:56 PM
Mar 2013

I'd suggest you talk to the owners of Specialty Sports. Nobody is MAKING them move and fire these people.

Be compassionate and let them no how badly you feel for their employees!

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
30. Nobody is making them move,
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013

but I don't blame them for leaving a state that doesn't want their business. Money talks, and sometimes its best to vote with your wallet, and if you disagree, then I see nothing wrong with moving to a new state.

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
39. None of this has any bearing on the fact that you've made it explicitly clear
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:57 PM
Mar 2013

that you have zero empathy for people who you perceive as having a different ideology than you. You don't give a fuck if they lose their jobs, as long as they're gun owners fuck 'em.

You disgust me

These are real people who pay real taxes and real bills and are fixing to lose real jobs with real benefits which will have a real impact on their lives and cause real pain.

But fuck 'em they're just republicans

People like you are the exact reason republicans call progressives hypocrites

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
43. hit.nail.head
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:46 PM
Mar 2013

If there's anything the avalanche of gun-related "discussion" (and I use the term lightly...) here has demonstrated, it's that in the eyes of far too many posters, it's a really fucking small tent after all. The neo-totalitarians can pretend all they want, but they're not liberals and they're not progressive.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
5. A Democratic governor signing progressive legislation sure does bring out a whole slew of angry
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:54 PM
Mar 2013

replies down here in the Gungeon from folks who don't like this sensible, common-sense, and needed trifecta of legislation. Why is that, I wonder?




Good on the Democratic governor and Democratic state legislature that got Colorado started on the road to some semblance of sanity when it comes to guns.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
15. A Democratic governor pandering to idiots by signing useless, feel-good legislation...
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:42 PM
Mar 2013

There: fixed it for you.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
17. By "idiots" the replier means: progressives and liberals, who made up the bulk of the support for
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:16 PM
Mar 2013

these measures passed by a Democratic state legislature and signed into law by a Democratic governor.

Look like someone posting on Democratic Underground doesn't care too much for progressives and liberals. Or Democrats: " A Democratic governor pandering to idiots"

One wonders ever why?

To ask the question is to answer it.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
21. You should avoid putting words in other people's mouths.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:00 PM
Mar 2013

You're spectacularly underqualified...

I said precisely what I meant: the portion of the electorate (some of which are, embarrassingly, fellow progressives) naive and uninformed enough to actually believe these measures* will have any meaningful effect on gun violence. "Idiots" just takes a lot less long to type.

*Specifically weapon type bans and magazine capacity limits...as opposed to measures that might actually accomplish something, like universal checks, prison terms for traffickers/straw purchasers, etc...

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
22. From "There: fixed it for you,"* i.e., changing the words of my reply, to "You should avoid putting
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:04 PM
Mar 2013

words in other people's mouths."

You literally couldn't make such priceless hypocritical contradictions up.

"Post as I say, not as I post!!!!11"



* http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=115611

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
23. Of course you said precisely what you meant: you think the Democratic legislature and Democratic
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:09 PM
Mar 2013

governor are pandering to "idiots," i.e., their constituents, the vast majority of whom are liberals and progressives and even more moderate and conservative Democrats. You are stating that you think Colorado Democrats in general and progressives and liberals in particular are "idiots" - I'm quoting you EXACTLY - and are only now starting to see how that looks on a discussion board called Democratic Underground, and are now trying to walk it back and explain your very clear statement away.

You do know that on DU3 you can always self-delete a post, don't yah?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
24. See above. Repeat as needed.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:28 PM
Mar 2013

You really need to work on your strawman building skills.

Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking. You're in way, way over your head, kiddo.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
25. Pointing out what you've POSTED is hardly telling you what you think, although one must
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:39 PM
Mar 2013

assume that your thinking has something to do with what you type and then post on a public message board. If the two are not connected, well, that's not my problem, but yours.

That aside, here's what you POSTED:

"A Democratic governor pandering to idiots by signing useless, feel-good legislation...

There: fixed it for you."


Every subsequent reply by me has been a spot-on analysis of that rather curious statement for a supposed Democrat on a Democratic discussion board to post: there hasn't been a speck of "telling you what to think."

Funny stuff.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
27. Oh, and do try and read with greater care.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:44 PM
Mar 2013

"there hasn't been a speck of 'telling you what to think.'"

Nor did I claim there was.

RIF...

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
31. As opposed to "telling you what to think." How's that foot taste?
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:52 PM
Mar 2013


You do recognize the difference, right?
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
34. It's right there in black and white, kiddo.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:04 PM
Mar 2013

You blurted out some twaddle about "telling [me] what to think" when what I actually said was different.

Derp.

Keep it up. It's redeeming my gutter-low opinion of you via the time-tested method of unintentional comedy.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
37. Liz's #24: "Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking" vs Liz's #27:
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:15 PM
Mar 2013
"there hasn't been a speck of 'telling you what to think.'"

Nor did I claim there was.
<--Liz's offering, directly contradicting Liz's #24.

Dig, dig, dig, some more!



"It's right there in black and white"

Indeed.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
33. Liz's #24: "Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking" vs Liz's #27:
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:01 PM
Mar 2013
"there hasn't been a speck of 'telling you what to think.'"

Nor did I claim there was.
<--Liz's offering, directly contradicting Liz's #24.

Dig, dig, dig!

, indeed.
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
35. Consider remedial education in reading.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:06 PM
Mar 2013

Pure comedy gold: you not recognizing the difference between "telling me what I think" and "telling me what to think."

Your sig already told me everything I really needed to know about both your intelligence and character, of course. This is just frosting on an unpalatable cake.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
42. Now, bullshit amateur psychoanalysis. Textbook.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:42 PM
Mar 2013

Well, actually more comicbook than textbook, but I suppose I have to consider the source.

Did you figure out where you fucked up yet, sparky?

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
44. Liz's #24: "Seriously, stop trying to tell me what I'm thinking" vs Liz's #27:
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:53 PM
Mar 2013
"there hasn't been a speck of 'telling you what to think.'"

Nor did I claim there was.
<--Liz's offering, directly contradicting Liz's #24.

Dig, dig, dig, take a break, and then dig some more!





 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
45. A simple "no" would suffice.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:56 PM
Mar 2013

I already demonstrated where you fucked up, sparky. Whether you're too stupid or too stubborn to understand and/or move on is immaterial. You continuing to repeat the same fuckwittery just adds to the comedy. By all means, keep flailing...you're actually too (unwittingly) entertaining to put on Ignore, at least for the time being.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
40. missing element
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:02 PM
Mar 2013

How would mandatory background checks between 2 neighbors/family members swapping guns or selling to one another be accomplished without a complete State Government registration and inventory of all existing guns on the date the law goes into effect ?

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
18. Colorado and New York have both led the way in advancing new, sensible legislation to curb
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:20 PM
Mar 2013

the plague of unrestricted guns and the bloody consequences of the "RKBA enthusiast" ( see sig line ) culture and gun lobby.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
38. So you
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:44 PM
Mar 2013

equate those who support legitimate reasonable use of firearms to "' racism, sexism, homophobia, and hate" ?

Even just normal use like Obama's skeet shooting?

Can you please clarify your sig line since you referred to it in the post?

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
46. So you
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:58 PM
Mar 2013

are having trouble reading what my sig line says or having trouble understanding the words used in the sentences that compose it?

Just trying to get a feeling for what the comprehension problem is here.


"Can you please clarify your sig line since you referred to it in the post?"

No. It's clear enough as is.

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