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And he had 556 on stripper clips but I didn't catch that number.

I found 225 bulk packs at walturd this week and they had 223 Tula on the shelf. I've been leaving the low hanging fruit for the next happy customers.

I've stopped buying anything except 22 since December. As 380,9,45,40 shows up I may start picking some up again. It's almost family shooting season (that doesn't sound right) uh...family fun shooting time? Eh...you know what I mean.

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Went to my local WalMart yesterday and they had a couple of AR's in the case. Also had 5.56 and 7.62X39 ammo in stock.
Picked up a couple of boxes of .357 ammo while I was there.

The academy I work at, the 7.62x39 has been sitting around while the .223 flies out the door when we get it in.

More than that, in my case

Honestly considering selling my AR. They are becoming so socially unacceptable that I have to pretend I haven't got one. Besides I it's hard to find a place or even the time to shoot it.

I'd dare say none.

Stick it in a back pack and pack it in to our stand in the morning. I don't have an over under anymore and broke down the AR will fit in our pack. We'll carry the shotgun.

I set my DWs AR up for target shooting so it has a 4-12 scope on it.

Even the "gun hoarders" and "gun nuts" have stopped worrying about it.

Both?

Willful ignorance is not pretty.

... how many years you spent as a military armorer?

Why do you continue to act so foolish? Yes, there are differences. Go on some gun forums and research "deep throat."

Never said I was a military armorer. They are almost the lowest level of gunsmithing.

Check out chamber reamer dimensions there, Mr. Gun "ex-spurt"!

... or freebore? Then there are pressure levels, bullet lengths to ogive ...

OK, you do it your way.

........between commercially loaded .223 Rem. and (M193 or M85) 5.56 x 45 NATO?

Do the NATO rounds always have a longer ogive length?

What? You mean to tell me you have never measured them to see?

What? You mean you don't know how and don't have the equipment to to measure that dimension...... that you're just palavering something you read on the internet or heard from BUbba at the local gun show. (Bubba was a NAVY SEAL, right?)

http://ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdf

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

rifle in the .223 that cannot use 5.56 ammo. My brother has an AR that can safely shoot both. They are not exactly the same and are not always interchangable.

Oh! And what make and model of rifle would that be, eh?

But you go right ahead

by BSA, Birmingham Small Arms Company, in England. BSA was a major gun manufacturer that was started in 1861 and was sold and broken up in the early 70s.

BSA was a major industrial company, once manufacturing Daimler autos and Triumph motorcycles.

There are .223 rifles out there that could be seriously damaged and possibly dangerous to shoot using 5.56, the pressures are too great. Although you may know more about the technical aspects of guns than I do, you do not know everything and your attempt to mock people on this thread has exposed your ignorance.

"There are .223 rifles out there that could be seriously damaged and possibly dangerous to shoot using 5.56, the pressures are too great."

FALSE!

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/5-56-vs-223/

You're correct..... I don't know everything. But I'm quite knowledgeable in the areas of gunsmithing and ballistics.

And if it sounds like I'm "mocking" some of these posters ..... it's because they are trying to present themselves as "gun experts" while ridiculing some folks who are for sensible gun control, but don't know all the technical aspects of firearms.

"Unfortunately, many of the “facts” that are often thrown around are simply what someone has heard from someone else, leading to a lot of misinformation being accepted as gospel."

That quote from the first parahraph of your link describes the the information contained on the pages in that link quite accurately.

You obviously had that link in your "holster" to whip out. Why didn't you just reply to the OP with that link which you believe to have accurate information instead of replying in an insulting and insolent manner?

Oh never mind...that's a rhetorical question.

And they are sponsored by whom?

And I"M SURE you can produce dozens of documented examples of the nasty things that can happen when 5.56 is used in .223s. Can't you?

I'm still waiting for Jenoch's answer on make and model that "rifle his dad had" that couldn't use 5.56 in it!

Old internet "wive's tales" die hard, don't they y'all!

above. Your reading comprehension is also suspect. I did not write that my father 'had' the gun, I wrote that he has it. In fact he acquired it less than a year ago.

Yes!

It was both actually. I wanted to point out who sponsors SAAMI and why it's in their best interest to discourage use of military 5.56 ammunition.

Would not know saami.

Part of the issue is in addition you have NATO and CIP, measuring pressures. all three use different techniques which give different numbers for the same load. another consideration is the chamber difference between 5.56 and 223.
really the only true 5.56 is the green tip military. they will chambers and fire in a 223 and though they may spec higher pressure the 223 chamber will limit the pressure and essentially there no worse than a hot load.
a modern firearm will handle the spike just fine. an older firearm will also probably be okay, but why take a chance with surplus ammo.

Maybe because you aren't?

Though I would steer clear of the lacquer covered steel case crap!

Not because it's dangerous....... but because it's crap!

..... all I need to know.

Off to ignore with you. You are not worth the time.

why should he respond to anything from you?

that would explain this particular poster perfectly.

Some of our most prolific trolls of the past have behaved in very similar ways.

Jeesh! No need for your childish and insulting cartoons!

a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.

Continue!

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/5-56-vs-223/

and shows through exhaustive testing that they generate different chamber pressures with 5.56 consistently generating higher pressure.

And you conclusion is that they are identical. OK.

Don't try to put words in my mouth unless you care to cite my quote.

INSIGNIFICANT! DO you know what that means?

Did you read the entire article?

Your fears are UNFOUNDED.

Sorry to break that to you....... I know how some just LOVE to be afraid of EVERYTHING.

PS - President Obama and the "Libruls" aren't going to come for your guns!

accuse others of being scared.

Nothing about guns scares me.

Oh, brother! one strawman on top of the next!

With my background, I'm hardly scared of guns.

I'm afraid of crazy and irresponsible people having access to guns.

And if you aren't crazy or irresponsible....... I have no problem with you loving you guns.

and they certainly throw the word around a lot.

no propose legislation would impact me in anyway whatsoever. I get to keep my AR-15s and my 30 round mags.

You mistake bemusement for anger and paranoia - the idea that gun controllers have to lock themselves away in a sheltered environment to protect themselves from dissenting ideas and them having the nerve to say that gun owners are fearful and paranoid. Cracks me up every time I visit.

That's my fear as well!

My experience in other calibers has consistently shown that ammunition that exhibits over-pressure symptoms is inherently inaccurate.

BTW, I can't ever recall seeing a box of ammunition that had both caliber designations - .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO or 5.56x45 - printed on it.

Different is different. It's clear from the first post in this silly diversion of a sub-thread that the intent was to badger and distract.

My dad went hog-slaughtering at his buddy's ranch in Texas after Xmas, picked up 200 rounds no problem

I don't have an AR but I do have a Mini 14.

I went today to a well known outdoor store to buy some ammo/ reloading supplies. The trip was a total waste of time. There was virtually no ammunition in the store - no rimfire except for 1 box of .17 HMR, no .223/5.56 at all, no .270, no .308, no .38/.357, no 9 mm, no .45 ACP.

There was also no way to reload anything - powder, no cases, almost no bullets, and 1 box of primers.

What a fucking disaster. I blame the fucking NRA for scaring the shit out of a lot of stupid people and making them panic into buying up everything on the shelves.

New york, Colorado, Connecticut, and the talk from the talking heads on tv has done far more to scare people than the NRA..


Actually the NRA has been proven correct, they where spot on correct about the coming wave of gun bans and gun control in all there commercials..

Someone HAD to prove them to be truthful...

And .452 LRN bullets for use in cowboy action shooting. And IMR Trail Boss powder. And fucking small pistol primers.
And .357 hollow base wadcutters for crissakes.

I couldn't find any of those in the store today because the goddamn NRA scared the shit out of a bunch of dipshits and made them panic and buy up everything in sight. I didn't go there to buy rifle ammunition, I just went to stock up on some reloading supplies.

I have a pretty good stash, I can go awhile before I actually need any ammo. But its a pain in the ass to drive an hour to find shelves that looked like a swarm of locusts had got there before me.

It wasn't a total wipeout. I did find some 12 ga. sabot slugs and turkey loads.

I've been a gun owner for over 60 years and I know who my friends are. It may not be the administration but it sure as shit ain't the NRA either.

I have a hard time finding .22s or .30-30s (OK so I'm old school, sue me) the NRA is for the NRA, they don't give a shit about gun owners or manufactures.

I can not afford to feed it
.22 LR cheapest I have seen it is 150.00 for 1K rounds.
and it is darn hard to find at all.

Down here in the Dallas area, about three years ago you could grab a no-frills Romanian WASR-10 for about $350. Ever since December of last year, if you can even find a WASR-10, it'll cost you at least $900.

I'm almost afraid to ask what sort of price my Tantal will fetch, but even the 5.45 ammo has skyrocketed in price. Good thing I already have a stash.

and $1,266.02. I saw the same rifle on gun broker with a buy now price of $2,300 the day I picked it up. Now if only I could feed it.

Should I have one locked and loaded by every window? Or would two be enough so that I can shoot one from each hand? What if the evil people chop a hole in my roof and come in behind me? I feel totally undefended right now. How many AR's will make me safe?

Multiple uppers.

Even a 16"-barrel AR-type is too long for my tastes. When I have a home defense gun it's a .45 bullpup carbine - the significantly shorter round and set-back action make it roughly the same size as a submachine gun. Ideal for indoors. And if two 9-round magazines aren't enough for me, I'm evacuating like the house is on fire.

They are all set up differently, but all can be used for defense. Usually most are in the safe and only one is usually behind the bedroom door. My current favorite is one just like this (not my pic, but just like mine0:



You may want more.

Until then... I have 2 brand new Tavor SARs to learn.

I have noticed prices coming down, and that it takes 3 hours not 5 minutes for parts to sell out.
ARs and AKs are still ridiculously priced, even FALS PTRs and M1As are pretty inflated at the moment, but with returns hitting, I think this bubble will continue until fall, then I foresee a buyers market, and at that point I worry about proliferation and people that shouldn't be able to get them acquiring black rifles.

told me to buy another CCW weapon. Got a SIG 220 so both of us are happy!