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DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:23 PM Jul 2013

I have a question about an old shotgun

A single barrel 12 ga shotgun. My friend's Dad who recently passed away (in his nineties) who got it from HIS dad who lived on a farm in PA most of their lives so it's at least from the early 20th Century or possibly late 19th century. Don't know the brand yet because most of the etching is worn away it looks like from holding the gun, need a powerful mag glass or acid.

Living in NJ, does this gun, in a canvas case and sitting in closets for decades, need to be registered or can he just mount it on the wall without consequence?


Thanks.


(wow lots of lookers, is one of you an expert?)

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I have a question about an old shotgun (Original Post) DainBramaged Jul 2013 OP
There is no need to register a shot gun discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #1
at least it's out of the closet jimmy the one Jul 2013 #2
BEST answer DainBramaged Jul 2013 #5
encore jimmy the one Jul 2013 #9
So, THAT's where the expression "shotgun wedding" comes from! Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #11
lol Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #16
It appears looking over NJ law sarisataka Jul 2013 #3
Thank you DainBramaged Jul 2013 #6
It would be interesting to track what model it is sarisataka Jul 2013 #7
OH it is a single shot shotgun DainBramaged Jul 2013 #15
Need a bit more... sarisataka Jul 2013 #22
I guess you determined if the barrel is twist or Damascus or not. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #12
It seems that only handguns need to be registered. gejohnston Jul 2013 #4
Some are collectible..most aren't pipoman Jul 2013 #8
For a time our family had an "Elgin" SXS in 12 ga with ejectors. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #13
For safety, better than a trigger lock... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #10
Less destructive would be the removal of the firing pin. Jenoch Jul 2013 #14
does this meet the SoP for this group? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #17
My question was answered, I am sorry it offended you DainBramaged Jul 2013 #18
Try to ask such a question in Castle BansaLot. oneshooter Jul 2013 #19
Remember when we tried to expand the SoP to include topics such as this one? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #21
where did I say I was offended? I just asked a question, is all I did. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #20

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
1. There is no need to register a shot gun
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jul 2013

IIRC firearms manufactured before 1898 are subject to few if any regulations. I wouldn't just mount a gun on the wall. If he's interested in a decorative display, I would still suggest the addition of a trigger lock or some safety measure.

http://smartgunlaws.org/new-jersey-state-law-summary/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Jersey

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
2. at least it's out of the closet
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jul 2013
Living in NJ, does this gun, in a canvas case and sitting in closets for decades, need to be registered or can he just mount it on the wall without consequence?

Living in new jersey, the shotgun, which has been 'in the closet for decades' cannot legally register to marry another shotgun yet, so better back off on any mounting.

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
9. encore
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 10:11 PM
Jul 2013

DainBramaged: BEST answer

Thank you thank you thank you! for the kind words & applause.

encore: Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
3. It appears looking over NJ law
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jul 2013

unless your friend is disqualified from owning a firearm, he is ok

N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.13 Firearms passing to heirs or legatees
(a) Notwithstanding the provisions of this subchapter concerning the transfer, receipt or
acquisition of a firearm, a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card
shall not be required for the passing of a firearm upon the death of an owner thereof to their heir or
legatee, whether the same be by testamentary bequest or by the laws of intestacy. A person so
acquiring ownership may retain the firearm if he or she meets the requirements of N.J.A.C. 13:54-
1.5 and 1.6.
(b) If an heir or legatee is not qualified to acquire a firearm, he or she may retain ownership of
the firearm for the purpose of sale for a period of 180 days, which period may be extended by the
chief of police or the Superintendent. During such period the firearm must be placed in the custody
of the chief of police or Superintendent.
(c) In the case of assault firearms or machine guns disposition shall be in accordance with
N.J.A.C. 13:54-5.

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
7. It would be interesting to track what model it is
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

I am researching guns in a collection I inherited recently. Some are quite valuable but the sentimental value is priceless. I am trying to figure a method to display some while preventing theft risk.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
15. OH it is a single shot shotgun
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jul 2013

He is taking it to a friend who is an avid hunter/shooter who thinks he cn get the information off the barrel. Has a walnut stock, breaks apart into four pieces.

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
22. Need a bit more...
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:06 PM
Jul 2013

Iver Johnson, Champion, H&R, New England Firearms Co... the list goes on.

Good luck examining the markings

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
12. I guess you determined if the barrel is twist or Damascus or not.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jul 2013

At a gun show a few yrs. back I came across a nice .20 ga single marked: "Nitro" and "Iver Johnson Gun & Cycle Works." For a hundred books, should have bought it.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. It seems that only handguns need to be registered.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jul 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Jersey.

But it seems that you might need a Firearms Owners ID. There may be an exemption because of its age. For example, if it was made before 1898, it is exempt from federal gun laws. That said, a call to the local cop shop could give better information.
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
8. Some are collectible..most aren't
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

It's all in the name..millions and millions of single shot guns were made by Crescent Arms..on these millions Crescent would stamp them with any name a company who ordered 50 or so guns wanted..these are referred to as "house brand guns"..IIRC Crescent has like 300 brands associated with them..most are valued at $30 to $100 if you can find anyone to buy them..some are a little more because of relative rarity and specific interest collectors..for instance there is one stamped "Lee's Lightning" that I would probably pay $300 for because of local interest..but they are the exception..

Then there are the super quality brands of the time..mostly European..some of them are very pricey and collectable..

A good resource is linked below. Let me just say I have no idea their political affiliation or if there is a political slant on the site..I have gone to their "ask the experts" forums for years for help and information..I think you have to register now to post a question...it used to be an open board until a few years ago..

http://www.antiqueguns.com/

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
13. For a time our family had an "Elgin" SXS in 12 ga with ejectors.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jul 2013

With open, IC and 26" barrels it was our go-to quail gun, but was just fine with "max loads" for duck hunting. Good strong Crescent utility gun.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. For safety, better than a trigger lock...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jul 2013

...your friend could fill the barrel, or at least the first six inches at the breech end so that a shell cannot be inserted, with cement or epoxy.

This way it would look just the same as a fully functional weapon. For someone concerned about retaining it's value, a trigger lock is better.

Answers about legality in NJ seem to have been answered above.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
17. does this meet the SoP for this group?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

Statement of Purpose

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
18. My question was answered, I am sorry it offended you
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 09:54 AM
Jul 2013

I try NOT to come here but I guess some of us, even when asking an innocent question, must abide by someone's idea of strict rule following.


Have a nice day

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
19. Try to ask such a question in Castle BansaLot.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jul 2013

You would be pounced upon by many and possably banned for not following their SOP. Here we are much more open to discussion and answering questions.

If you need more info don't hesitate to ask.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
21. Remember when we tried to expand the SoP to include topics such as this one?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jul 2013

That went over so well ... as I recall ...

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