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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:15 AM Oct 2013

Gun controllers setting out to cost Dems more seats.

Exeter will have recall vote on 4 council members challenged over gun-permit resolution

By Tatiana Pina

EXETER, R.I. -- Residents have gathered enough verified signatures to prompt a recall vote for four council members who supported a resolution asking the General Assembly to have the attorney general's office take over issuing permits to carry concealed weapons.

The Board of Canvassers has been working for a couple of days to verify signatures on petitions to recall four of five Town Council members.

The signatures were collected by Exeter residents who disagreed with four council members' passing a resolution to, as the signature-collectors said, "opt out of Exeter's constitutional responsibilities to issue concealed carry permits."

Mary B. Hall, chairwoman of the Board of Canvassers, said the recall vote will take place either the first or second week of December. The decision will be made next week.

http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20131017-exeter-will-have-recall-vote-on-4-council-members-challenged-over-gun-permit-resolution.ece


I expect the usual suspects to arrive with the usually suspect excuses but let's remember 1/10th of the deep blue Rhode Island town's population signed the recall petition. I'll even go so far as to wager that the council's arrogance in cutting short debate and refusing to allow dissenting voices be heard earned them more signatures than the gun control issue alone. The problem with "gun control" advocates is they never confine their controlling impulses to guns. Speech, association, etc. are also part of the agenda.
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Gun controllers setting out to cost Dems more seats. (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 OP
Well you can't really stifle the Second Amendment without stepping on the others. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #1
"refusing to allow dissenting voices:" Did that happen in Colorado? Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #2
Pretty much DonP Oct 2013 #3
There was one young lady that was actively blocked from testifying Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #8
They don't get it LittleBlue Oct 2013 #4
Seems like a particularly weak reason for a recall to me petronius Oct 2013 #5
I'm assuming it's a "May Issue" state? DonP Oct 2013 #6
After a bit of googling, it does seem more complicated: petronius Oct 2013 #7
not really, virginia mountainman Oct 2013 #9
Yes, but my position is that elections are where that tossing should occur petronius Oct 2013 #10
isn't this coup(s) a waste of taxpayers money? jimmy the one Oct 2013 #11
"You seem beaming with pride over this" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #12
Let's turn this around gejohnston Oct 2013 #13
I have never seen such an efficient and complete... beevul Oct 2013 #14
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Well you can't really stifle the Second Amendment without stepping on the others.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:24 AM
Oct 2013

And we see it advocated for all the time, the call for periodic checks on gunowner's homes, for example.

First, Second, Fourth, Fifth.....

Not worth it, find different ways to reduce violence, like reversing poverty, improve education.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
3. Pretty much
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:34 PM
Oct 2013

I heard news clips of Morse telling the other Senate members on the floor they had to ignore pressure from their constituents on the gun issue and get it passed. Dumb thing to say in the first place, even dumber to say on the record. Now Governor Hickenlooper is second guessing himself and trying to back away from the gun laws he signed before the election next year.

So in essence, anyone in Colorado that didn't agree with the new Bloomberg laws, was in a "shut up and sit down" trick bag. I think that pissed a lot of people off more than the laws themselves did, arrogance and condescension usually do.

But then again we've already been assured by some of our "friends" here that Colorado was really a right wing scam all along, just like our new concealed carry law in Illinois is also total right wing construct. In spite of it being proposed, written and passed by a Dem legislature with a super majority in both houses. At least that's what people with no knowledge or experience in Illinois politics tell me.

I've just stopped paying any attention to the people that can't see the reality of these trends. But I guess as long as Bloomberg writes all the checks and they don't have to do anything but whine online about it, they'll stick around.

I'm pretty sure that the minute any of them have to actually back up their words with money or effort it will fade away.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. There was one young lady that was actively blocked from testifying
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:43 PM
Oct 2013

and Morse refused to meet with her personally. She was a CC permit holder but her campus was a gun free zone. She was attacked and raped before her attacker could be caught he raped and murdered another young woman. It was episodes like that which turned public ire into a burning white hot resentment.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. They don't get it
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013

America likes their guns. How many times do these idiots have to lose their jobs to learn this lesson?

petronius

(26,602 posts)
5. Seems like a particularly weak reason for a recall to me
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 02:00 PM
Oct 2013

Concealed carry laws should be uniform across the state, and I don't really see a significant objection to having permits issued at that level...

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
6. I'm assuming it's a "May Issue" state?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:22 PM
Oct 2013

And the locals either don't want to be involved, or see this as a way to eliminate or sharply reduce permits in their area.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
7. After a bit of googling, it does seem more complicated:
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:00 PM
Oct 2013

According to my first result (USACarry.com),

Rhode Island actually has a Shall-Issue law (for issuance by local law enforcement) and a Capricious-Issue law (for issuance by the attorney general). The attorney general has succeeded, at least temporarily, in stifling the local Shall-Issue system, but a decision of the Rhode Island Supreme Court suggests that this state of affairs is untenable. All that is necessary to implement Shall-Issue in Rhode Island is a new Attorney General with a different attitude.

So it suggests to me that if the AG is not issuing but the locals must, the recall proponents would have a reason to be upset. Still doesn't rise to a recall level, IMO - but something that needs to be fixed at the AG level...

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
9. not really,
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 08:32 PM
Oct 2013

If you piss off your constituents, whom YOU, are supposed to represent, don't be surprised if you get tossed out like last weeks salad.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
10. Yes, but my position is that elections are where that tossing should occur
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:04 PM
Oct 2013

I prefer to see recalls based only on actual corruption, criminality, or similar malfeasance - and I'll never support one that isn't on those grounds...

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
11. isn't this coup(s) a waste of taxpayers money?
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 04:01 PM
Oct 2013

nuc uni: ... let's remember 1/10th of the deep blue Rhode Island town's population signed the recall petition. I'll even go so far as to wager that the council's arrogance in cutting short debate and refusing to allow dissenting voices be heard earned them more signatures than the gun control issue alone. The problem with "gun control" advocates is they never confine their controlling impulses to guns. Speech, association, etc. are also part of the agenda.

You seem beaming with pride over this, over another rightwing coup;
.. question: why you so proud that 10% of deep blue rhode island town's population signed the recall petition? did you really think rhode island was 100% democrat? those predominantly were republicans, tea partiers, libertarian or rightwing signatures gotten.
.. rhode island residents probably majority support the guncontrol position, it's just rightwing whiners who are mucking up the system over some specious juvenile trumped up approach to guncontrol - their childish right to whine about gun control.
.. how come there's no outcry about the waste of taxpayers money to conduct these temper tantrums? why do you support the tea party & rightwing approach if you consider yourselves democrats? oh I know why, it's cause you yourselves are democrat fringe elements on guns.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
12. "You seem beaming with pride over this"
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 04:12 PM
Oct 2013

If I appear beaming with pride then you have proven yourself delusional.

It's not a coup, let alone a RW coup in Rhode Island, of all places. Recalls are part of the democratic process. The coup was when the council circumscribed established order to silence their constituents and stifle debate. It's aggravating because the controllers' mono-mania is costing us.

why you so proud that 10% of deep blue rhode island town's population signed the recall petition?


It's not pride. Get over yourself. It's a statement about how broad of a rejection this is for such actions.

how come there's no outcry about the waste of taxpayers money to conduct these temper tantrums?


If recalls are a waste then the council members shouldn't have pissed off a sufficiently large portion of their constituents. But I assume that's a natural inclination for those of us who trace things back to first causes. Just as if the police are called to retrieve the body of a dead rapist from a woman's home I blame the rapist, you blame the woman with the gun.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
13. Let's turn this around
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 04:52 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)

If these guys were fundies who decided to force the schools to change the Pledge of Allegiance to the "word of Jesus Christ or the Prophet Mohammad" instead of the flag (fundies come in all different flavors) and disallowed input not only from Jews, Wiccans, Atheists, Agnostics, non of the aboves, but also Christians and Muslims don't share that outlook, would it still be a temper tantrum?

why do you support the tea party & rightwing approach if you consider yourselves democrats?

You don't think Democrats, non aligned civil libertarians, dependents, etc. would not or should not be offended by politicians can't understand that they are representatives of We The People, you know that Enlightenment consent of the governed thing, and not monarchs? Are you saying party before principle? I find that repugnant regardless of party or ideology. If Glenn Beck were bashing Mormons on MSNBC instead of Muslims on Fox, I would still hate his fucking guts. Can you grasp the concept?
If we want to maintain the tradition of the Enlightenment and keep our republic, politicians need to be kept in their place.
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