Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts) Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:18 PM Mar 2014

Customer shoots, kills gunman at Orrville Dollar General

Editor’s note: This article has been amended from its original version to clarify the fact that the shooter used his own gun in the incident.

ORRVILLE — One person is dead after a customer at the Dollar General in Orrville began shouting and waving his gun in the air.

Dallas County Sheriff Harris Huffman said the incident appeared to be a case of self-defense and no one has been arrested in connection with the shooting Thursday afternoon.

The incident occurred when Dallas County resident Kevin Mclaughlin entered Dollar General reportedly waving a pistol in the air, Huffman said. Mclaughlin then ushered a group of people inside the store into a break room.

“It appears that once the cashier got inside the break room, a customer that was walking into the break room shot the individual, the white male, with the pistol,” Huffman said. “There was only one shot fired and that shot struck the individual with the pistol causing the disturbance.”

Read more: http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/2014/01/16/one-killed-in-attempted-robbery-in-orrville/#ixzz2xTWx6LYg

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Customer shoots, kills gunman at Orrville Dollar General (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 OP

I love when the crazy among us self-identify, and glad that someone took care of it. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #1

I find the loss of life regrettable (not to imply you don't) --- Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #4

Oh, I do, too. If we'd direct resources toward identification and treatment... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #5

just another rude toter discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #2

Shit happens. Mojo Electro Mar 2014 #3

These stories still doesn't make it a good idea Politicalboi Mar 2014 #6

It's also not a good idea that people who earnestly believe Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #7

Ain't that the truth? Moan and moan about the NSA, "can't trust the government", "fuck cops".... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #8

I say, let him keep his 1A rights, just make it impossible for him to get internet access Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #9

If the government is that big a threat, then why bare your throat? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #14

Had this incident turned into a massacre, it would have made national headlines ... spin Mar 2014 #10

"...despite the fact that he might have violated the law by being armed inside the store." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #11

In some states you might go to jail if you use an unregistered firearm to defend ... spin Mar 2014 #12

And in Texas if you are no billed by a Grand Jury........... oneshooter Mar 2014 #13

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

1. I love when the crazy among us self-identify, and glad that someone took care of it.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:25 PM

Mar 2014

One shot.

It pays to practice.

Now, I'm wondering if someone will come along, pity the crazy guy, say we should have reasoned with him, blame the gun, etc...

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

4. I find the loss of life regrettable (not to imply you don't) ---

Reply to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:29 PM

Mar 2014

The man who died may well have been simmering for years as life's circumstances seemed to slowly turn against him, or he may have been mentally ill or any of a myriad of tragic possibilities.

But at the end of the day he threatened innocent people and in that his circumstances became immaterial. The people he threatened had a right to defend themselves. Thankfully they had the means to do so.

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

5. Oh, I do, too. If we'd direct resources toward identification and treatment...

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:34 PM

Mar 2014

Instead of this other rubbish, it would go a long way toward reducing violent crime AND actually help the people who perpetrate it.

And their families, communities, etc.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)

2. just another rude toter

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:25 PM

Mar 2014

Nothing to see here.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)

3. Shit happens.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:27 PM

Mar 2014

As soon as you pull a gun out and start herding people into the back room of a store, you have begun a story that has a good chance of ending with you dead.

"He said he was looking for three bad mother—-ers"

He cashed in his last chips on this play, I wonder what it was about. I'm sure it wasn't worth it.

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)

6. These stories still doesn't make it a good idea

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:05 PM

Mar 2014

That local yahoo's carry guns.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

7. It's also not a good idea that people who earnestly believe

Reply to Politicalboi (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:11 PM

Mar 2014

the government would deliberately murder 3,000 of its own citizens in a false flag terrorist attack should also be the same people demanding the citizenry be disarmed and the government possess an unchallenged monopoly on deadly force.

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

8. Ain't that the truth? Moan and moan about the NSA, "can't trust the government", "fuck cops"....

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:16 PM

Mar 2014

And then, on guns, "call 911, give your guns to the government, we don't need a second amendment..."

"Because we now have an army, we don't need militia"

AND...

"You're racist, bigoted, white christian teabaggers for your love of gunz."

The idiocy of it all is, frankly, embarrassing.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

9. I say, let him keep his 1A rights, just make it impossible for him to get internet access

Reply to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:21 PM

Mar 2014

If nothing else it is a methodology he would approve of.

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

14. If the government is that big a threat, then why bare your throat?

Reply to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:57 PM

Mar 2014

I'm amazed at how many here compartmentalize reality: The overwhelming abuses of privacy, due process, and the "militarizing" of LEOs, all seem to live with little problem next to the notion of disarming before those same bogies. Like genuflecting to a hyena.

spin

(17,493 posts)

10. Had this incident turned into a massacre, it would have made national headlines ...

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:43 PM

Mar 2014

in big city newspapers and been one of the lead stories on the nightly news.

Since the bad guy was shot and killed by a customer, it was only a local news story.

The article in the OP didn't mention the fact that the customer had a valid carry permit.

Customer who killed gunman in Dallas Co. store had valid concealed carry permit

Posted: Jan 16, 2014 4:09 PM EST
Updated: Jan 31, 2014 9:25 PM EST
By Lindsey Rogers

Dallas County authorities say the customer who shot and killed a gun-wielding man inside an Orrville dollar store had a valid concealed carry permit.

***snip***

Officials say McLaughlin walked into the store waving a gun in the air and forced a cashier and Ellis at gunpoint towards a break room. At that point, Ellis pulled out a concealed weapon and shot McLaughlin once in the chest.

"He escorted a customer who was trying to leave the store and a cashier toward a break room. The cashier went in first and the customer went in behind her, and the individual had the gun on the customer and the customer had a pistol concealed in a holster," Dallas County Sheriff Harris Huffman said. "And when the customer got to the door, he turned around and shot the individual."

McLaughlin was pronounced dead at the scene. The tense ordeal played out in less than five minutes, police said.
http://www.wsfa.com/story/24474261/names-released-after-customer-kills-gun-wielding-man-in-dallas-co-store

Local law enforcement praised the customer despite the fact that he might have violated the law by being armed inside the store.

Customer hailed as a hero in Orrville shooting

Published 12:00am Saturday, January 18, 2014

ORRVILLE — Law enforcement officials are calling Marlo Ellis a hero in the wake of Thursday’s shooting at the Dollar General in Orrville.

***snip***

He said Ellis was properly certified to carry a concealed weapon. Though, Ellis may have broken the law by entering the store with a weapon.

A sign at the store’s entrance says the Dollar General does not allow the open carry of firearms, but neither the sheriff’s department nor District Attorney Michael Jackson say they plan to press charges against Ellis.

Jackson said the sign warns customers that the store doesn’t want guns on the premises. If the owner spots a customer carrying a weapon, he or she can ask the customer to leave. Jackson said the owner could also ask a customer to leave if he or she was carrying a concealed weapon. If the customer remains on the property, Jackson said he or she would be trespassing.

“The owner or employee would have to tell the person to leave to press charges,” Jackson said. “What (Ellis) did was being a good Samaritan to keep (McLaughlin) from harming other folks.”

Read more: http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/2014/01/18/customer-hailed-as-a-hero-in-orrville-shooting/#ixzz2xU6HurxY

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

11. "...despite the fact that he might have violated the law by being armed inside the store."

Reply to spin (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:52 PM

Mar 2014

Good on the police but one thing that troubles me about Prohis is this --

They want all these laws to presumably safeguard the public from people of ill-intention (Yeah, I know but roll with me here for a moment). Yet, if a person were to -- say -- defend their family with a unregistered weapon such as a family heirloom they would still prosecute the would-be victim. They do not genuinely care about public safety, only the evil fetish of the gun.

spin

(17,493 posts)

12. In some states you might go to jail if you use an unregistered firearm to defend ...

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 06:43 PM

Mar 2014

your home and family.

Not in Florida. Florida does not require firearms to be registered.

The 2013 Florida Statutes

CHAPTER 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

***snip***

The Legislature finds and declares that:
1.?The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2.?A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.
3.?A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a tool for fighting terrorism, but rather is an instrument that can be used as a means to profile innocent citizens and to harass and abuse American citizens based solely on their choice to own firearms and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution....emphasis added
4.?Law-abiding firearm owners whose names have been illegally recorded in a list, record, or registry are entitled to redress.

***snip***

(2)?PROHIBITIONS.—No state governmental agency or local government, special district, or other political subdivision or official, agent, or employee of such state or other governmental entity or any other person, public or private, shall knowingly and willfully keep or cause to be kept any list, record, or registry of privately owned firearms or any list, record, or registry of the owners of those firearms.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.335.html

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)

13. And in Texas if you are no billed by a Grand Jury...........

Reply to spin (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:39 PM

Mar 2014

You cannot be prosecuted under civil law.

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