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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:41 PM Apr 2014

NRA lobbyist blasted Scott staff over ‘guns in hurricanes’ bill

TALLAHASSEE — In the wake of testimony from a Florida National Guard attorney critical of her bill, powerful National Rifle Association lobbyist Marion Hammer blasted staff in Gov. Rick Scott’s office, blaming them for not doing enough to help her cause, emails show.

The bill would allow people without concealed weapon permits to carry guns during forced evacuations prompted by emergencies, such as hurricanes.

Terrence Gorman, general counsel for the Department of Military Affairs, testified March 19 that it was a bad idea to allow untrained people to have weapons during such stressful times.

The testimony helped stall the bill, SB 296, in a Senate committee.

http://tbo.com/news/politics/nra-lobbyist-blasted-scott-staff-over-guns-in-hurricanes-bill-20140328/
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NRA lobbyist blasted Scott staff over ‘guns in hurricanes’ bill (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2014 OP
well we always know Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #1
It is indeed safest to leave them at home locked in your fucking safe. Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #2
That worked sooooo well for those who evacuated from Katrina. benEzra Apr 2014 #5
Any cheap excuse to criminalize peaceable people, I suppose. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #7
They're not as secure in a safe as you seem to think... S_B_Jackson Apr 2014 #9
I'll evacuate my cats, thank you HockeyMom Apr 2014 #3
As long as your home doesn't get flooded, that works. benEzra Apr 2014 #6
Somebody wants to carry out that safe, or blow it up to get the contents, more power to 'em. gejohnston Apr 2014 #10
Can't see practical enforcement in any event... Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #4
I don't have a CCW, Jenoch Apr 2014 #8
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. well we always know
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:47 PM
Apr 2014

it is better to leave weapons behind with nobody to watch them rather than secure and evacuate them.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
5. That worked sooooo well for those who evacuated from Katrina.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:58 AM
Apr 2014

People who took their guns with them when they evac'd kept them. A lot of people who left them behind lost them to rust and corrosion in saltwater-flooded homes, or found that they had been seized by police for "safekeeping" from their "abandoned" homes while they were gone.

So, yeah, if a storm is bad enough that I'm evacuating, I'm taking my small gun collection with me. I don't think it would be wise to leave them to the elements, and it leaving them makes them more vulnerable to theft.

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
9. They're not as secure in a safe as you seem to think...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:32 PM
Apr 2014

only takes about 15-20 minutes with a sledgehammer to bust open nearly any gun safe you want to name.

The firearms are safer with the owners. My wife and I both have Texas CHLs, if we ever have to bugout - as we did in advance of Rita in 2005 - all firearms will be in our vehicles along with the ammunition, photos and selected valuables, and dogs.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
3. I'll evacuate my cats, thank you
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:55 PM
Apr 2014

My husband's guns, and my jewelry, can be left behind in the 700 lb., bolted to the floor, combination safe. Somebody wants to carry out that safe, or blow it up to get the contents, more power to 'em.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
6. As long as your home doesn't get flooded, that works.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:08 AM
Apr 2014

Down here in hurricane country, particularly in these flat coastal areas, flooding followed by extended power outages during/after a storm are a lot more likely than somebody trying to crack one's safe.

I have evac'd 4 or 6 times in my life. One of those times I lived in a mobile home in Florida that was only about 12 feet above sea level, facing a category 5 storm headed right at us. I damn sure took the guns, the kids' pics, and everything else that would have been hard to replace, and figured the rest would be destroyed. That storm downgraded to a 3 and veered east right before landfall, but it still tore our front porch off and brought salt water right up to my home, so had it hit on its original track then I would have lost anything I didn't take with me.

I live in eastern NC now, and a lot of us here still remember hurricane Floyd:





That first pic was taken an hour *inland* from where I live, and the other one was taken about 30 minutes from me. Severe storms here aren't once-in-a-lifetime events; they are something you face about every other year.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
10. Somebody wants to carry out that safe, or blow it up to get the contents, more power to 'em.
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:39 PM
Apr 2014

So, you are saying that you would rather them fall in the hands of drug dealers, street gangs, and common criminals instead of your husband having them? If Florida had their own Leland Yee, and I'm sure there is, would you support them?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
4. Can't see practical enforcement in any event...
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 03:45 PM
Apr 2014

Folks forced to flee during chaos may very well choose to have a firearm for SD. What (grand) jury is going to issue a bill of indictment?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
8. I don't have a CCW,
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:03 PM
Apr 2014

but if I lived along a coast where evacuations because of hurricanes was a possibility I certainly would get the permit. Katrina showed the need to be able to protect oneself and family.

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