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Today's bullet points (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2014 OP
Cha ching... rrneck Apr 2014 #1
Look, they finally found this long-fabled list of "NRA Talking Points" (tm) Bazinga Apr 2014 #2
Another violation of the TOS for this group. (NT) blueridge3210 Apr 2014 #3
let's see gejohnston Apr 2014 #4
It's directed at the right wing gun lobby, not liberal gun owners. SecularMotion Apr 2014 #5
doesn't matter gejohnston Apr 2014 #6
So, post at a RW message board. SQUEE Apr 2014 #7
Yet, you post here? Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #13
Oh look! Another cartoon argument DonP Apr 2014 #8
This seems to be little more than Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #9
Why would you trivialize the death and injuries Jenoch Apr 2014 #10
Armed Jews. Straw Man Apr 2014 #11
So criminal do obey gun laws, and guns fire themselves... ileus Apr 2014 #12

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
1. Cha ching...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:54 AM
Apr 2014

And another delivery of culture war hoohah splatters on the doorstep like a wet cow pie.

The 1% thanks you.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. let's see
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

the first two are statements of fact.

"Quibble with every statistic cited, especially those presented without analysis or advocacy."-- So I'm supposed to take every bogus statistic at face value?

"Quibble with incorrect vocabulary, especially about technical terms and imprecisely defined names such as "assault weapon"." Actually yes, since it is a propaganda term designed to manipulate the unthinking.

I speak ill of all violence, and

Name a single fake Hitler quote? Oh wait, just like number two, just accept whatever what tell you.

This is the focused group "concentrate on emotions instead of getting bogged down in policy" created by intelligent PR people.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/748675/gun-violencemessaging-guide-pdf-1.pdf

Jay's version is the very dumbed down version.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
7. So, post at a RW message board.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:32 PM
Apr 2014

And follow the TOS of this group as ardently as you demand it be done in your playground.

I am open to your interpretationof how this fits ....

Did it make you throw up a little to even type out liberal gun owner? Do you actually believe we exist?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
8. Oh look! Another cartoon argument
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:39 PM
Apr 2014

But then again, I guess you have to know the intellectual level of your audience and gun controllers seem to work best with short sentences and lots of cartoons.

Hell, Bansalot still has a guy defending Michael Bellisles of Arming America infamy as his hero, because in his opinion, he was mostly right even when he used imaginary records for his data.

Keep it simple, dumb it down and use lots of cartoons. That will work.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. This seems to be little more than
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:51 PM
Apr 2014

Pro-controllers arguing a point then being met with an opposing argument and then reasserting their original point along with a dose of grousing over the fact anyone had the temerity to offer a debate in the first place.

It bespeaks a troubling degree of self-anointed superiority.

Criminals don't obey laws

How is this a point of contention? Those intent on rape, robbery, assault and murder will commit their acts regardless of the law and in fact do so in spite of the law.

Guns can't fire themselves.

It's true. The creator of this silly graphic is offering a complaint, not a refutation.

Liberals are intolerant.

Gun controllers seem to be the antithesis of liberality.

Deaths of innocent children are unfortunate and must be endured as the price of freedom.

Not one controller will engage in an effort to define the terms and how many childhood deaths constitute a sufficient threshold to legislate. The reason they will not, I honestly believe, is they know that if the standard were applied elsewhere it would be their on ox being gored.

It is unfair to blame guns for the behavior of bullets issued from their barrels.

No one has made this argument, ergo it is a straw man, i.e. a lie.

The party responsible for the bullet's behavior is the person in control of the gun at the time of firing.

Pretend to be an honest, earnest seeker of truth, desirous only of respectful dialogue and common ground. However, you should never cede an inch.

Human rights should never be ceded no matter how many silly graphics are posted to the internet bemoaning the defense of such rights.

The author is also a tremendous hypocrite considering they have already resorted to insults and lies.

That the OP who deliberately uses sexist insults and bans people making genuine rebuttals is rather amazing in its blatancy.

Quibble with every statistic cited, especially those presented without analysis or advocacy.

1. The pro-Controllers seem adverse to finding statistics free of advocacy. That's why pro-RKBA'ers "quibble"

2. NOT analyzing data is the first step to not understanding an issue.

Quibble with incorrect vocabulary, especially about technical terms and imprecisely defined names such as "assault weapons." Take everyone for a hike on the appellation trail.


Well-constructed pun notwithstanding, when a party demands the power to regulate, fine, arrest, try and imprison with the power to exert deadly force against any who resist -- yeah, you should know what you're talking about and be absolutely precise in defining the terms under which such power will be employed.

The 2nd Amendment is unambiguous and sacrosanct.

Yet, the author seems to think the 2A is unambiguous in his favor and his interpretation is sacrosanct to the point he should be allowed to employ lethal force to confiscate, fine and imprison people.

The founders inserted the 2nd Amendment as a doomsday clause to insure their new government could be violently toppled if citizens became dissatisfied.

Uh -- yeah. The Federalist Papers and other such documents are the single greatest collection of "Don't trust government" documents ever assembled. The entire Constitution is constructed to inhibit government power.

I can't decide who should be more embarrassed, the author or the OP.

To speak ill of firearm violence is the first step down the slippery slope that leads to universal confiscation. Respond with alarmed indignation.

Why are the people seeking to defend themselves from the violent in our society always targeted for these screeds but the actual criminals never bothered?

And I doubt the author -- or the OP -- have ever met a gun control law they never liked, including the idea of confiscation.

Use fake quotes. Insist that armed Jews could have prevented the Holocaust

The entire graphic is riddled with fake quotes.

How did unarmed Jews fair? How could armed Jews have suffered any worse?

If this seems like a repetition of yesterday's bullet point, it is; these need to be pounded daily.

I think the term the author is looking for is "propaganda."
 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
10. Why would you trivialize the death and injuries
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:25 PM
Apr 2014

caused by the misuse of firearms by posting this document containing the anthropomorphized graphic of a pitcher of fruit flavered water?

By the way, the author of this document does not know the difference between 'insure' and 'ensure'.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
11. Armed Jews.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:45 PM
Apr 2014

These armed Jews saved 1200:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007563

No one is suggesting that armed Jews could have "prevented the Holocaust." However, armed Jews had a chance at saving themselves and others. Unarmed Jews had none.

"Without a rifle you are nothing, worthless, you are waiting for death, any minute, any second."

-- Aron Bielski

"My father sent my mother a revolver as a gift, which for her was the symbol of what any young girl wants in a marriage, this was for her the means to stay alive, to kill herself or to die fighting."

-- Assaela Bielski
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