Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts) Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:40 PM Apr 2014

Maine gun store may be shut for refusing to let ATF copy records

SANFORD — The federal government is trying to revoke the license of a gun store owner who refused to allow a federal agent to copy gun records during a compliance inspection last year.

Phil Chabot, who owns Pac N Arms on Emery Street in Sanford, was issued a notice of revocation in February by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The bureau got a warrant to search Chabot’s store in February, and court records indicate he is suspected of making “straw sales” – sales through an intermediary – to a convicted felon who was barred from buying or possessing guns.

Chabot has not been charged, and his lawyer said Tuesday that they had not seen any evidence against him.

Chabot, who has been licensed to sell firearms since 1991, has accused the ATF of overstepping its authority and has run advertisements in local media, including the Portland Press Herald, asking any customer who is contacted by the bureau to call his lawyer.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine_gun_store_owner_returns_fire_as_ATF_tries_to_revoke_license_.html?pagenum=full

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Maine gun store may be shut for refusing to let ATF copy records (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2014 OP

Seems like there's a very easy solution there - let the shopowner's attorney petronius Apr 2014 #1

Seems like a warrant would clear this right up. Straw Man Apr 2014 #2

Of course if we surrender our 2A rights we can trust them with the 1A, 4A, 5A, 6A and the rest. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #3

More gun nuts selling guns to thugs - so they can sell more guns jpak Apr 2014 #4

So, you'd prefer bloodshed? DonP Apr 2014 #5

There would only be bloodshed if the gun nut fired on LEOs jpak Apr 2014 #9

or if a stray dog walked gejohnston Apr 2014 #10

Or a Hispanic boy with a toy is in the neighborhood. SQUEE Apr 2014 #11

And if the FFL is truly guilty of charges.. SQUEE Apr 2014 #6

Wonder what they intend to do with the names... ileus Apr 2014 #7

The forms are required by federal law, the same law that says they oneshooter Apr 2014 #8

petronius

(26,602 posts)

1. Seems like there's a very easy solution there - let the shopowner's attorney

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:58 PM

Apr 2014

watch while ATF copies the specific records they think they need, and in the process the ATF agent can explain why each one is being copied. If the explanation isn't satisfactory, then take those records to a judge...

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)

2. Seems like a warrant would clear this right up.

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:30 PM

Apr 2014

The first search was "warrantless," according to the article. Now the ATF is applying for a warrant. Shouldn't they have done that in the first place? Routine inspection is one thing, but they were looking for specific evidence of a crime. Ergo, wouldn't a warrant be ... warranted?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

3. Of course if we surrender our 2A rights we can trust them with the 1A, 4A, 5A, 6A and the rest.

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:57 PM

Apr 2014

jpak

(41,758 posts)

4. More gun nuts selling guns to thugs - so they can sell more guns

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:48 PM

Apr 2014

I hope the ATF storms the place.

yup

DonP

(6,185 posts)

5. So, you'd prefer bloodshed?

Reply to jpak (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 05:24 PM

Apr 2014

jpak

(41,758 posts)

9. There would only be bloodshed if the gun nut fired on LEOs

Reply to DonP (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:02 AM

Apr 2014

yup

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

10. or if a stray dog walked

Reply to jpak (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:10 AM

Apr 2014

near a California cop.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)

11. Or a Hispanic boy with a toy is in the neighborhood.

Reply to jpak (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:47 AM

Apr 2014

Or two ladies are out delivering papers,
or someone is holding a cellphone
or a man with diminished capacity doesn't drop fast enough after two officers give conflicting orders
or an off duty cop gives chase and decides to give the runner the Gump Shot

You are putting your faith in the guy with the machine gun to do the right thing. Mao also knew from whence power springs.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)

6. And if the FFL is truly guilty of charges..

Reply to jpak (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 06:30 PM

Apr 2014

I am more than with the idea of him doing time in Fed Prison after a trial and sentencing.

And as a bonus no one has to die when Agent Fife sprays 30 9mm rounds in a citizen ( and the wall, and the door, and the business behind them, and the floor.....) for not respecting their authoriteh.

But I mean we all are here to decry the loss of life caused by guns...

yup

ileus

(15,396 posts)

7. Wonder what they intend to do with the names...

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:01 PM

Apr 2014

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)

8. The forms are required by federal law, the same law that says they

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:26 PM

Apr 2014

can not be out of the possession of the FFL. Had a situation similar to this several years ago at a gun shop I worked at part time. The ATF wanted to photocopy several 4473 forms. The owner of the store said fine, but they do not leave our possession. ATF just rented a photocopier, brought it into the shop and copied away. No problem.

ATF has changed some, the Agents we worked with were reasonable, helpful, and pleasant. Not so much anymore.

ATF= Always Think Forfeiture

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