Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumYou say gun control doesn't work? Fine. Let's ban guns altogether.
But there also have been responses from people who share my disgust at the endless gun violence that pervades American culture. A few asked what should be done. My personal preference? Its a decidedly minority viewpoint, but I say, ban them, with a carve-out for hunting weapons.
For example: Hunters could own shotguns (and rifles where state laws allow them for hunting), but they would have to be registered and the owners would have to pass a gun safety course before they could get a hunting license (already a requirement in most, if not all, places). That license would be a prerequisite for registering a hunting weapon. Resale of a weapon should be monitored to preclude passing it along to unqualified people. Ammunition sales would be tracked much like we do sales of pseudoephinedrine (an ingredient in meth).
As for handguns, assault-style weapons, etc., lets have a flat-out ban. Beyond the histrionics of the gun lobby, there is no defensible reason for such weapons to be a part of our culture. They exist for one purpose: to kill. Yes, hobbyists also like to use guns for target shooting and other nonlethal purposes, but its hard to say that desire for sport outweighs the atrocious level of gun-related deaths in this country.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)too bad that will never happen. Although I do wonder if we get the Congress back if it COULD happen. I know we had the Congress a few years ago, but gun control has really come to the forefront of everyone's mind the last couple years. I think it could happen....VOTE like you life depends on it in November cuz it could.
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I don't know why I seem to forget Australia and what they were able to accomplish. Thanks for the reminder.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Port Author was a one time event. Nothing like it before or after.There were a couple of mass shootings with shotguns, and a couple with a rifle and knife in the 1980s. Since NFA, there has been one mass shooting and several mass murder by arson. There is no evidence that NFA had anything to do with it.
All of the Australian states had strict gun laws (there are no federal gun laws) to begin with. The killer did not have a license for his guns, nor did were they registered to him, as required in Tasmania at the time. In fact, one of the guns was stolen from a police evidence room.
The crime rate was already dropping, and continued to drop at the same rate. The suicide rate did not drop.
Private gun ownership of guns, including handguns, are now exceeding pre NFA levels. Not only are there more guns, but more gun owners.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)More truth from a gun banner.
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)I've never even discussed that particular function. I'm sure you are honorable enough to admit your mistake and apologize for your ugly retort?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)My heartfelt apologies for soiling your reputation.
And if that ain't enough, pistols at dawn?
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)no duel necessary
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)DC and Jamaica. I think there should be a ban on major news papers printing opinion pieces that are as well thought out and rational as the letters to the editor of Spotlight.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)reasonable restrictions to weed out the irrational pushing agi-prop. Some of it can be very dangerous. There are laws against hate speech in Canada and Germany. In the US we have speech codes in universities. Some on DU support hate speech laws and the FCC censoring media.
In all honesty, I oppose all of the above. Some poorly written op ed in the LA Times is hardly a threat to the Second or any other amendment.
petronius
(26,602 posts)So my personal view: Ban the guns, and slowly but inexorably bring our culture back from this violent, communal madness.
On the one hand, he gives himself a nice pat on the back for agreeing to a narrow and focused restriction on the Amendment he does care about, and in the next sentence argues for the complete (judicial and legislative) erasing of the Amendment he doesn't care about.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)by those who wish to restrict my rights but not their own. Regarding the OP; I wonder if there was something he wished to discuss?
Leme
(1,092 posts)I would choose a shotgun for home defense, but I know my circumstances...you do not.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I have a good idea who's reading this stuff. And acting accordingly.
DonP
(6,185 posts)3 deaths by stabbing + 3 by gun + 1 by BMW = "Shooting spree"?
All with no "assault weapons" involved, magazine limits, registration, waiting periods, background checks, everything the gun control "fans" have been demanding. And remember, any mention of mental health issues is just an NRA talking point.
After the initial flurry of righteous and shallow indignation fades we'll get the usual; "No one wants to take away your guns, you delicate flowers".
I just want to be sure we have lots of bookmarks from all the people demanding total gun bans. They'll deny they ever said it of course, or didn't mean it "that way".
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It's not just the deaths that count.
I don't particularly have a problem with it being called a shooting spree, but it also serves to illustrate lethal intent with or without a gun.
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)
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AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Sometimes there are fatalities, sometimes not. The incident that springs to my mind, had 7 fatalities and 22 injuries.
I don't discount the injuries, myself. Sometimes they can be quite grievous and life-altering. Then again, I'm not an anti-gunner either.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)First of all, you make no comment, which really pisses off you fellow duers. I've noticed you do the same in Religion.
This pisses me off, big time, because you usually post really good shit, much of which I agree with, including this one.
Secondly, it makes way too much sense to ever get past the US Congress.
PS. Your lack of response to those who take the time to read and respond to your OP's shows a total disrespect for your fellow members. This translates into a mutual disrespect for you. I may agree with most of what you post, but I have no idea where you are coming from. You could be a freeper shill for the NRA and the Christian Fundies, coming here to stir up shit for all I know.
So, quit pissing in the wind and start backing up your posts with your own thoughts and words and show some fucking respect for the rest of us. Just sayin'
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I don't do ignore. Furthermore, I like much of what you post.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)for many of his fellow members.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12626040#post8
krispos42
(49,445 posts)They said mockingly...
ileus
(15,396 posts)Of course it's always been a total ban on guns, but they know that wouldn't float.
So they propose failing law after failing law in hopes someday they can achieve their darkest never spoken desire. Anyone who posts here has known this is the ultimate goal for years.
That's why it's important that true progressives keep fighting the good fight and never give up.
I see the dumbass that wrote this is another "guns are for killing" ID10T. Never give another inch...
beevul
(12,194 posts)Last edited Fri May 30, 2014, 01:01 AM - Edit history (1)
YES! Anti-gunners of DU, I urge you, shout it from the rooftops.
Tell everyone you know.
Please, please, please do it.
Then we can get some popcorn and roast some marshmallows over the remaining embers of the credibility of the gun control movement.
Louder, pretty please?
locks
(2,012 posts)it's a great piece and should be read by all, especially the ones who make jokes about gun control.
DonP
(6,185 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)...
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)It was fun while it lasted.