Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumSomeone wondered in a recent thread here where they might find a list of NRA Talking points.
In case anyone else was curious and missed my reply previously, I thought I'd make it an OP. So, while the NRA seems a bit cagey about posting them on their own website, they clearly have them. Just tune in to any discussion of gun control and record the main points made by 2A enthusiasts.
However, I was able to quickly and easily find a list on the Washington Arms Collectors site which claims to be provided by the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. These particular talking points are aimed specifically at providing ammo to shoot down Initiative 594, but thelist seems to basically cover the main NRA talking points for opposing any gun control legislation. Feel free to add any not included (I don't know, maybe ones like, "Guns are rad!" and "A 9 year old girl's life is not complete until she shoots her instructor dead with an Uzi!" I don't know, would they be more selling points than talking points?)
NRA-ILA I-594 Talking Points
National Rifle Association of America
Institute for Legislative Action
555 Capitol Mall, Suite 625
Sacramento, California 95814
(916) 446-2455. ■ brianjudy26@aol.com
State & Local Affairs Division
GUN CONTROL LAWS (phrases to provide that ever elusive parallelism mine.)
-WOULDNT STOP CRIMINALS
-(create) HUGE REGULATORY SCHEME
-(place) BURDEN ON LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS
-(demand) EXPENSIVE DIVERSION OF SCARCE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES
-(are) UNENFORCEABLE
-(would inevitably lead to) MASSIVE GOVERNMENT DATABASE OF LAW-ABIDING HANDGUN OWNERS
-(aren't necessary if only authorities would) ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS!
-(are all kinds of) UNFAIR
-(will lead to **gasp!!!** comprehesive, UNIVERSAL FIREARM REGISTRATION (unnecessary quotation marks sic.)
More details on each talking point here.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)These threads are from just over a year ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172129602
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023396665
"NRA talking points"? How about anti-gun talking points?
"Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/748675/gun-violencemessaging-guide-pdf-1.pdf
communicating with the public on behalf of stronger public policies to prevent gun violence. It is not intended to offer media training advice on topics such as how to prepare for a media appearance or advice about
specific media such as how to write a press release or prepare a compelling email message.
Its purpose is to offer clear advice about effective frames and messages across a broad variety of communication opportunities.
http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/gun_messaging
http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/sources_for_more_detailed_talking_points
https://progressivemajorityaction.nationbuilder.com/assets/pages/64/Voicing_Our_Values-To_Curtail_Gun_Violence.pdf
As we explain here, we have tried to make this resource as easy‐to‐use as possible by placing model language in boxes throughout. We encourage you to adapt the language to your own voice and personalize it with your own knowledge and experience. Much more comprehensive, detailed or technical talking points are available from advocacy groups listed at the end of this paper.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)you seem to have found some talking points on the Washington state initiative-594. Since you state that these ARE the illusive "NRA Talking Points" I have asking to link to for years, I will be able to refute all those accusations of using "NRA Talking Points". You must know that anything a poster that supports the RKBA on this board is accused of using these "NRA Talking Points". This greatly limits those arguments as you have found the big list.
friendly_iconoclast has been kind enough to provide links to the anti-RKBA talking points that we have provided over a year ago. It is amazing how often those are used right here on DU without credit being given to the originator.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Also--just in--politicians use speechwriters!!!! More at 11!!!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)You'll get the whole list in response.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is an "NRA talking point" Very interesting take, wrong but interesting.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)But thanks for another NRA talking point!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)whether inadvertently or not.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It' not even hard
IronGate
(2,186 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)We need a progressive 2A non profit that all of us liberal gun owners could get behind.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)gun control legislation.
Take "not fair" for instance. I mean, seriously?
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)They'll post the so-called "anti-gun talking points" as a deflection, but I guarantee you that none of our pro RKBA friends will attack any of these classic NRA memes. And I've seen all of these used here by so-called "progressives".
Unfortunately, the reasonable voices don't come here very often.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)you mean the real ones that have a link to the actual "talking Points"
They are not "so called", it is real and documented unlike the mythical ones no one can see to post.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)doesn't have talking points. It's really hard to believe anyone is asserting that. And why? Of course the NRA has talking points, They're right there on their website. I guess some people are fooled by the NRA cleverly disguising them by not labeling them NRA talking points.
Both sides have talking points. Next. I guess maybe that's a great example of why reasonable voices avoid this group.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)How about true Scotsmen? Are any of those found around here?
Of course both sides have "talking points." The so-called "talking points" represent the best arguments either side can muster. The accusation as it is often made here is that any pro-rights argument is invalid since it is an "NRA talking point." The suggestion is that the holder of said opinion is incapable of thinking for himself/herself and that anything the NRA says is to be disregarded because they have a history of support for Republicans. All of which is, of course, just more "talking points."
See how that works?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Do high capacity magazines kill more people?
Does the thing that flips up make a rifle more dangerous?
Do you even know what the term "rifle" means.
I have a thing to do, seeyaz.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Got a few things to do myself. Later, Skippy.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And I think you'll find a few "Talking Points" there, as well!
We are not like many of them, on DU you'll see insults come at us far more often than from us.
On other sites, not so much, poo is flung in both directions, and I avoid those sites.
Sites I don't avoid include The Liberal Gun Club: http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/
Progressive Gun Owners: http://www.progressiveguns.org/
American Gun Culture Report: http://www.americangunculturereport.com/
Liberals Gun Corner: http://www.liberalsguncorner.com/
Liberals With Guns: http://www.liberalswithguns.com/
Shoot from the Left Hip: http://shootfromthelefthip.com/
Blue Steel Democrats: http://bluesteeldemocrats.blogspot.com/
Pink Pistols: http://www.pinkpistols.org/