I am sure you would agree. But since I got blocked for just agreeing with another poster, we will never know will we.

Unless they're trying to pad statistics, or spin in order to meet an SOP.

regardless of the shooters motive or lack thereof.

However, most people don't consider an accident where no malice was presnet to be an act of violence.

Or do you think "car violence" accurately describes running off the road and hitting a tree just because someone gets hurt or something gets broken?


Equivocation was old even when iverglas used to engage in it.

Great, now define "gun violence", as it is commonly used and understood in this debate.


Or are you prepared right here, and right now, to call legitimate defensive use of a firearm where a shooting is involved "gun violence" too?




Equivocation ("to call by the same name&quot is classified as an informal logical fallacy. It is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time). It generally occurs with polysemic words (words with multiple meanings).

Albeit in common parlance it is used in a variety of contexts, when discussed as a fallacy equivocation only occurs when the arguer makes a word or phrase employed in two (or more) different senses in an argument appear to have the same meaning throughout.[1][2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

People who choose disingenuously to engage in it have no business hosting a group on DU.

Violence can be justified violence. The death penalty is a violent act against a convicted criminal by the state, as well, whether by firing squad or lethal injection.

Football games are quite violent as well, but that doesn't inherently make them bad. The term violence does apply to the OP, whether you want it to or not.

You seem to have some difficulty with the English language. From previous discussions, and as I've said before, I think you also misread the 2nd amendment.

And we all know that sort of thing isn't what folks refer to when they hear the term "gun violence".

Just like accidental discharges.

President Obama favors reduced magazine capacities and universal background checks, as do I. Do you?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-launches-gun-violence-task-force/2012/12/19/90ff2d52-49f9-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html

We are not scared and require a "safe haven" to keep the opposing views out, this group actually likes them.

Congratulations on getting your wish and now being able to block members over in "bansalot" I know it was driving you nuts over there that a couple of firearms owners with differing views could post there and you had no host to block them out. I foresee soon you will have it up to at least 50 blocks to this groups 2. That tells me a lot about which group actually likes free speech and true open dialog. I also see once again that group will wither away as echo chambers tend to get boring and people stop posting, just look at the stats between the two groups.

My congratulations to the latest two members of the "bansalot" blocked club, glad to have you aboard, GGJohn and discntnt_irny_srcsm

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or how great you feel being white in the African American Group, too? DU has protected discussion Groups for a reason. Perhaps you want to petition the admins for a protected Group of your own? I can think of a few catchy names for it, but that might get my post hidden

Most of the people on your blocked list were blocked for far less than that.

You know that and so do we, so theres no point in trying to be cute about it.

In fact, most were blocked over THERE, for opinions they expressed over HERE.


That goes a bit above and beyond violating your "sop".

Have you seen the BOG's blocked list lately? People have been blocked from there for even saying hello if they've posted in GD they were unhappy with one of the current administration's policy decisions. If you post anything at all in a safe haven Group, a host can block you out with a simple click if they remember you from elsewhere.

How ethical.

I guess because others do it, that makes it right.


And you guys wonder why nobody trusts you on the gun issue here on DU, and why gun control proponents aren't generally trusted by Americans at large.

a certain poster wanted to pre-block people based on opinions in other groups and forums. And guess who brought that up? So how does this new host explain this shit?

I just sent a PM to EM thanking him for blocking me and I'll wear the block as a badge of honor.

you called for blocking people who do not even post in your little protected group. You did not even want to take a chance that one of them could even post in your "safe haven" even when you do not even know what they might post.

in the GCRA Group is to troll and disrupt, and I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary. Thanks for providing further corroboration that this restriction on your ability to do so drives you up the wall, despite your occasional assertions otherwise

...was: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12626916
...a thought on a means to allow some states with privacy laws prohibiting the disclosure of certain data to enter links to certain courts and other sources that would prohibit buyers with "issues" from taking possession but maintain the privacy of said prospective buyers.

All I learned was that posting in your happy haven was like farting in phone booth.
Have a nice day.

...the number one way to "...to enact progressive gun control reform..." is to not ask for the world all at once.

but I guess that is good enough for you as you are doing that very thing by coming over to this group and spouting your point of view. The one good thing about this group is we allow another point of view to be discussed. There is a difference between guns and race and feminism but I know you already know that.

That's just as feasible.

For any new carriers here it's a good lesson in what not to do.

It should also lead to the types of firearms new carriers pickout and the concealment methods that are out there.


We can take a drive by "guns are dangerous" thread and turn it into a positive learning experience.

I just do not care for the hypocrisy that the OP will not follow the same standard in the other gun group.

Simple answer this time is...always keep your personal protection device holstered. No Problem.

Illogical anecdote, FTW!

Nah, that's not gonna happen, because FREEDOM!!!1!

safeties myself, I would not be surprised if that was one.

They make a version with a safety and one without.

What kind of engineering are you suggesting?

disassembled and only ever assembled to use. Above that it would have to have at least three mechanical safety's, electronic safety and a 200 lb trigger pull.

And he still is so incompetent that he can "accidentally" discharge his gun?

is just never a good idea. This guy looks like he was trained to shoot but not in safety.

It's a holster, people. Use it. Pockets, purses and waistbands are just not safe places for guns.

is a need here

this guy is a police officer? And he's still do ignorant or careless as to shoot his gun unintentionally? Makes me wonder just what kind of firearm safety training he got.

I do carry my LCP in a pocket holster, but I don't remove it from that holster....period.


Safety first...poking a hole in yourself being dumb...never.

... two floors.

To keep us safe, of course.

1. Never remove your personal safety device from the holster unless it's needed.

This is one reason I don't mind my Shield having a manual safety.


Safety first as I always say, 39 years without a ND here.

did he think he was Bilbo and wondered what he had in his nasty pocketsesses?

Two very simple ruls for pocket carry- one, use a holster. They are cheap, keep lint out of the pistol and keep it in one place. Two, nothing else gets carried in that pocket. Pants have other pockets; one gun equals one full pocket.


Ok three rules- don't take it out. It hasn't changed color or gained the ability to send a text. It only needs to be removed at the end of the day or when despite your best efforts, you find yourself in a deadly situation.

cops, or their agency, often make poor decisions
..............
striker fired Glocks, and similar,
are accident prone.
think twice before carrying one.
.............

you did not hear about all these "accidents" as revolvers do not have external safeties either.