Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumMichigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoes concealed gun bill, cites risk for domestic abuse victims
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/01/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_vetoe_2.htmlSenate Bill 789 and 790, backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by prominent gun control groups, would have lifted a blanket restriction preventing the subject of any personal protection order from obtaining a CPL.
The legislation would have limited that restriction to PPOs including specific language barring the subject from purchasing or possessing a firearm.
We simply cant and wont take the chance of exposing domestic abuse victims to additional violence or intimidation, Snyder said in a statement.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Did not expect it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The NRA and its nutjob members thinks guns are more important than women's lives.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I would think the federal law on this would come into play also.
Shamash
(597 posts)http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billenrolled/Senate/htm/2014-SNB-0789.htm
Those who are merely interested in knee-jerk posturing should feel smug in the knowledge that they just congratulated Rick Snyder for vetoing legislation that included but is not limited to mandatory fingerprinting for permits and required forwarding of firearms sales records to law enforcement in the place that person lives. And the first item in the restoration of firearm rights for someone who has had them restricted (for say domestic abuse) is a requirement that at least 5 years have passed (plus several other requirements which a court must determine have been unambiguously met).
jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)shamash: For those interested in being informed before you post opinions on a subject, here is a link to the actual legislation: Those who are merely interested in knee-jerk posturing should feel smug in the knowledge that they just congratulated Rick Snyder for vetoing legislation that included but is not limited to mandatory fingerprinting for permits and required forwarding of firearms sales records to law enforcement in the place that person lives..
Well, to counter & trump you, doesn't this say enough?: Senate Bill 789 and 790, backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by prominent gun control groups, would have lifted a blanket restriction preventing the subject of any personal protection order from obtaining a CPL.
I mean, duh. What you duplicitously post above sounds like added sugar to sweeten the taste of urine.
The Republican governor {Snyder}, in a veto letter to lawmakers, said the legislation included a number of reforms I support... .Snyder, who has a mixed record on gun bills, vetoed a broader version of the CPL legislation in 2012 shortly after a mass school shooting in Connecticut. That bill concerned the governor because it would have also allowed individuals with extra training to carry concealed weapons in so-called "gun-free" zones.
Gun control groups that had urged Snyder to veto the legislation, including Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, applauded Thursdays action. Former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was critically wounded in a 2011 shooting and later co-founded Americans for Responsible Solutions, thanked Snyder for doing the responsible thing and standing up for common sense.
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/01/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_vetoe_2.html
Shamash
(597 posts)Did you actually read the bill in its mind-numbing entirety, or do you fall into the knee-jerk posturing group? I don't really give a rat's ass who sponsored it, who opposed it or who vetoed it.
The only relevant concern is whether or not it is good legislation.
My criticism goes to anyone, regardless of their pro- or anti- stance, who made up their mind that it was good or bad based solely on preconceptions and someone else's press release about it. Unless you wish to present an argument that knee-jerk responses made from a position of superficial headline-reading is the best way for liberals to decide on issues? If you can make that argument, you'll make a whole lot of DUers deliriously happy that they made the right choice.
And if you have read the bill, what is your informed opinion on the potential benefits listed vs. the drawbacks? From my reading of it, the blanket prohibition was modified from "lifelong" to "you had to have kept your nose clean for at least 5 years and convince the court." Technically, that is lifting a blanket restriction, but it does not seem like the terms of the lifting are going to flood the streets with angry gun-toting exes.
Now, maybe I read it wrong, but if I did, it is unlikely that is going to be demonstrated to me by someone who has not read it at all.
In fact, I went back and did a text search for "personal" or "protection" and the only new information I came up with is that Snyder also vetoed a law that would have allowed expediting a carry permit for someone who is trying to get a protection order against someone else ("clear and convincing evidence to believe the safety of the applicant or the safety of a member of the applicants family or household is endangered by the applicants inability to immediately obtain a license to carry").
And it is kind of hard to accuse me of being duplicitous when I provided a link to the full text of the bill so that anyone who cared could read it for themselves. But hey, maybe I was trying to fool all the people who don't care enough about an issue to understand it before making strong pronouncements on it.
jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)shamash: And it is kind of hard to accuse me of being duplicitous when I provided a link to the full text of the bill so that anyone who cared could read it for themselves.
You were duplicitous when you wrote this, as if support for the veto was being hypocritically counterproductive from the guncontrol stance:
Those who are merely interested in knee-jerk posturing should feel smug in the knowledge that they just congratulated Rick Snyder for vetoing legislation that included but is not limited to mandatory fingerprinting for permits and required forwarding of firearms sales records to law enforcement in the place that person lives..
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)None of it violates the 2nd and all of it makes a lot of sense. Hell, register every gun to every owner and charge the owner with any crime committed with their gun unless reported stolen.
sammy750
(165 posts)more partners to be murdered by domestic abuse. Where are the voices? IS everyone scared of the NRA? It is time sane people speak out against the radical leaders of the NRA. Quit supporting and funding the NRA.
sammy750
(165 posts)place knowing what kind of bills they will pass. Most GOP controlled states have the same issues. Wake up voters, check out the background of who your voting for.