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davepc

(3,936 posts)
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:10 AM Jan 2015

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoes concealed gun bill, cites risk for domestic abuse victims

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/01/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_vetoe_2.html

Gov. Rick Snyder on Thursday vetoed legislation that would have overhauled the concealed pistol permit application process in Michigan, citing a provision he said could jeopardize existing protections for domestic abuse victims.

Senate Bill 789 and 790, backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by prominent gun control groups, would have lifted a blanket restriction preventing the subject of any personal protection order from obtaining a CPL.

The legislation would have limited that restriction to PPOs including specific language barring the subject from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

“We simply can’t and won’t take the chance of exposing domestic abuse victims to additional violence or intimidation,” Snyder said in a statement.
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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoes concealed gun bill, cites risk for domestic abuse victims (Original Post) davepc Jan 2015 OP
Lunacy occasionally has its limits BeyondGeography Jan 2015 #1
Huh? tblue Jan 2015 #2
No sane person could disagree with that veto. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #3
Money over life - the nra Iliyah Jan 2015 #4
Good for him. He made the right choice. nt hack89 Jan 2015 #5
Seems like a dumb bill. ileus Jan 2015 #6
Thisk it is a good thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #7
For those interested in being informed Shamash Jan 2015 #8
sweetening the sour jimmy the one Jan 2015 #9
So tell me Shamash Jan 2015 #10
why you were duplicitous jimmy the one Jan 2015 #11
I like everything in it, particularly the parts you mentioned! flamin lib Jan 2015 #12
Where are the voices of the NRA members against this bill. A bill that may allow sammy750 Jan 2015 #13
Why do the voters of MICH elect those extreme/radical conservatives in the first sammy750 Jan 2015 #14
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. No sane person could disagree with that veto.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:33 AM
Jan 2015

The NRA and its nutjob members thinks guns are more important than women's lives.

 

Shamash

(597 posts)
8. For those interested in being informed
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jan 2015
before you post opinions on a subject, here is a link to the actual legislation:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billenrolled/Senate/htm/2014-SNB-0789.htm

Those who are merely interested in knee-jerk posturing should feel smug in the knowledge that they just congratulated Rick Snyder for vetoing legislation that included but is not limited to mandatory fingerprinting for permits and required forwarding of firearms sales records to law enforcement in the place that person lives. And the first item in the restoration of firearm rights for someone who has had them restricted (for say domestic abuse) is a requirement that at least 5 years have passed (plus several other requirements which a court must determine have been unambiguously met).

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
9. sweetening the sour
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jan 2015

shamash: For those interested in being informed before you post opinions on a subject, here is a link to the actual legislation: Those who are merely interested in knee-jerk posturing should feel smug in the knowledge that they just congratulated Rick Snyder for vetoing legislation that included but is not limited to mandatory fingerprinting for permits and required forwarding of firearms sales records to law enforcement in the place that person lives..

Well, to counter & trump you, doesn't this say enough?: Senate Bill 789 and 790, backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by prominent gun control groups, would have lifted a blanket restriction preventing the subject of any personal protection order from obtaining a CPL.

I mean, duh. What you duplicitously post above sounds like added sugar to sweeten the taste of urine.

The Republican governor {Snyder}, in a veto letter to lawmakers, said the legislation included “a number of reforms I support”... .Snyder, who has a mixed record on gun bills, vetoed a broader version of the CPL legislation in 2012 shortly after a mass school shooting in Connecticut. That bill concerned the governor because it would have also allowed individuals with extra training to carry concealed weapons in so-called "gun-free" zones.
Gun control groups that had urged Snyder to veto the legislation, including Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, applauded Thursday’s action. Former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was critically wounded in a 2011 shooting and later co-founded Americans for Responsible Solutions, thanked Snyder for “doing the responsible thing” and “standing up for common sense.”
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/01/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_vetoe_2.html

 

Shamash

(597 posts)
10. So tell me
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jan 2015

Did you actually read the bill in its mind-numbing entirety, or do you fall into the knee-jerk posturing group? I don't really give a rat's ass who sponsored it, who opposed it or who vetoed it.

The only relevant concern is whether or not it is good legislation.

My criticism goes to anyone, regardless of their pro- or anti- stance, who made up their mind that it was good or bad based solely on preconceptions and someone else's press release about it. Unless you wish to present an argument that knee-jerk responses made from a position of superficial headline-reading is the best way for liberals to decide on issues? If you can make that argument, you'll make a whole lot of DUers deliriously happy that they made the right choice.

And if you have read the bill, what is your informed opinion on the potential benefits listed vs. the drawbacks? From my reading of it, the blanket prohibition was modified from "lifelong" to "you had to have kept your nose clean for at least 5 years and convince the court." Technically, that is lifting a “blanket restriction”, but it does not seem like the terms of the lifting are going to flood the streets with angry gun-toting exes.

Now, maybe I read it wrong, but if I did, it is unlikely that is going to be demonstrated to me by someone who has not read it at all.

In fact, I went back and did a text search for "personal" or "protection" and the only new information I came up with is that Snyder also vetoed a law that would have allowed expediting a carry permit for someone who is trying to get a protection order against someone else ("clear and convincing evidence to believe the safety of the applicant or the safety of a member of the applicant’s family or household is endangered by the applicant’s inability to immediately obtain a license to carry").

And it is kind of hard to accuse me of being duplicitous when I provided a link to the full text of the bill so that anyone who cared could read it for themselves. But hey, maybe I was trying to fool all the people who don't care enough about an issue to understand it before making strong pronouncements on it.

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
11. why you were duplicitous
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jan 2015

shamash: And it is kind of hard to accuse me of being duplicitous when I provided a link to the full text of the bill so that anyone who cared could read it for themselves.

You were duplicitous when you wrote this, as if support for the veto was being hypocritically counterproductive from the guncontrol stance:
Those who are merely interested in knee-jerk posturing should feel smug in the knowledge that they just congratulated Rick Snyder for vetoing legislation that included but is not limited to mandatory fingerprinting for permits and required forwarding of firearms sales records to law enforcement in the place that person lives..

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
12. I like everything in it, particularly the parts you mentioned!
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

None of it violates the 2nd and all of it makes a lot of sense. Hell, register every gun to every owner and charge the owner with any crime committed with their gun unless reported stolen.

sammy750

(165 posts)
13. Where are the voices of the NRA members against this bill. A bill that may allow
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jan 2015

more partners to be murdered by domestic abuse. Where are the voices? IS everyone scared of the NRA? It is time sane people speak out against the radical leaders of the NRA. Quit supporting and funding the NRA.

sammy750

(165 posts)
14. Why do the voters of MICH elect those extreme/radical conservatives in the first
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jan 2015

place knowing what kind of bills they will pass. Most GOP controlled states have the same issues. Wake up voters, check out the background of who your voting for.

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