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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 10:20 AM Jan 2015

One of the problems with the rights versus control debate is BOTH SIDES ARE LYING

Before anyone gets upset and defensive, making counter accusations, justifications and saying, "That's a lie" let me explain.

Media attention focusing on a violent event invariably involves public figures who claim to have answers. Would putting armed guards in Sandy Hook Elementary have made Adam Lanza mentally stable? (So there's a lie) Would banning firearms from the Virginia Tech campus have made Cho mentally stable? (Oh wait, they were and there's another lie)

These folks that say these things are just prescribing aspirin for brain cancer. Violence, firearm or otherwise, in almost all cases is a means to an end. Sometimes that end makes no sense to anyone because the assailant acted out of "mental disease or defect". Sometimes that end is theft, revenge, rape or rage. IMHO the attention that is now focused on gun-control is due to guns being used more than any other weapon in these acts. If there were no guns at all, another weapon would be the "one used more than any other."

The only government actions (laws, programs, etc) that will really help are those that focus on root causes for the overall violence. Recognizing this is a key to finding common ground that would lead to useful actions and ideas.

Expanded or Universal Background Checks are probably a good idea; banning AR-15s probably isn't. Legalizing some drugs might be good.

Got any ideas?

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One of the problems with the rights versus control debate is BOTH SIDES ARE LYING (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 OP
Thats a lie! beevul Jan 2015 #1
Well maybe discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #2
Correct! mog75 Jan 2015 #3
One of the common means of inspiring unity... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #4
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
1. Thats a lie!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jan 2015

"These folks that say these things are just prescribing aspirin for brain cancer."

Respectfully, No sir. They are prescribing placebos.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
2. Well maybe
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jan 2015

Thinking armed guards in a school are going to prevent murder and gunfire is shortsighted. Columbine had security which IIRC was armed. Tactically, admitting an armed guard is needed implies a backup is needed. I can foresee an entire security, communications and surveillance assessment that would fundamentally change the "feel" of most campuses. I would expect many people would be uncomfortable with that.

Thinking a "gun-free" sign will mean anything to aa individual determined on mayhem has often been proven wrong.

These big gun reform acts try to do too much. IMHO they are the F-111 of gun-control. Wayne LaNRA's list of things to do is similar attempt to throw all the available mud at the wall. My opinion is that these large lists or big pieces of legislation are more for public show than effect. Meant to gather popularity and votes among constituents and passage in congress and state houses to further the recognition and authority of the authors. If that were not so, hands would be reaching across aisles and ideological divides to find common ground and maintain an atmosphere of compromise and continued discussion.

I'm not seeing that. It's just posturing and, as you said, placebos, different placebos for either side but generally placebos.

mog75

(109 posts)
3. Correct!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jan 2015

The war on drugs is dying a slow silent death. Let us now start the war on guns. I'm sure they will go more peacefully.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
4. One of the common means of inspiring unity...
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jan 2015

...is identifying a common enemy.

The klan does that.
Adolf did that.
In the '80s the US did that. (What's that, Taliban, you guys are fighting the Soviets and we should help you? Okay here. That worked well.)
Who started that war on drugs? You mean drugs aren't really the enemy?
Wasn't alcohol just a drug? (Been there; done that. Repeat the 1920s anyone?)

By all means let's find a way to create a new black market and suspect crime will decrease.

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