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Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:32 PM Jan 2015

The Rude Pundit - According to the NRA, We're Screwed...Right Now

(cross-posted from General Discussion)



That ominous image up there is the cover of this month's NRA magazine. The magazine is called America's First Freedom, which, if it's referring to owning guns, is just wrong because of the word "second" in the Second Amendment. The article is "The Most Dangerous 700 Days America Has Ever Faced."

You might think, "Well, surely that's referring to a period of time right after we declared independence and fought the Revolutionary War." Or perhaps, "Oh, of course, it's an article about the most violent part of the Civil War." Or "Indeed, the time right after Pearl Harbor was quite trying for our nation." Maybe even "Gosh, I knew things were bad after 9/11, but I didn't realize it was the most dangerous time." Yes, yes, you might try each of those, but, fuck you, you unarmed traitor. That shit is happening now.

Those 700 days (give or take) encompass the last two years of President Barack Obama's term in office post-2014 midterms. Let the motherfucker with the combover of doom, Wayne LaPierre, lay it on the line for you: "If Obama and his allies succeed in their 'transformation' over the next two years, the America we know and love may cease to exist." Why? Because he's gonna take away the guns. The guns, goddamnit. Obama's coming after them, even though, as LaPierre admits, in the last six years, "the Second Amendment is the only freedom that has expanded while others have retreated."

Don't you get it? Obama's been playing the long game. He put on hold all his devious machinations to walk into your home and rip the rifle from you cold, dead hand. Sure, he's never actually talked about doing that or done anything at all other than suggest a few minor regulations that wouldn't affect the vast majority of gun owners. And, even though the NRA was sure that, right after his reelection, Obama was going to unleash the goons, no goons have appeared. But, one supposes, he was waiting until after he lost huge in the midterms. He has no more elections to worry about, they say. So, fuck it, let's get the gun melter going 24/7.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157114
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/01/according-to-nra-were-screwedright-now.html


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The Rude Pundit - According to the NRA, We're Screwed...Right Now (Original Post) Electric Monk Jan 2015 OP
Rec for the helicopter n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #1
Whenever I see the roflcopter, I hear Ride of the Valkyries petronius Jan 2015 #2
I love that movie discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #6
I recommending this post for the wonderful ads toward the end. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #3
I see ads for a music festival, a shoe store, and an electronics store Electric Monk Jan 2015 #4
Then you missed the "penis size reduction lotion" and "what to do with all that gold" ads? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #5
Obama and the Dems in Congress have been good to gun owners hack89 Jan 2015 #7
Let's not get that carried away... ileus Jan 2015 #8
That was the worst part about the Sandy Hook massacre for you? That was your take away? Electric Monk Jan 2015 #9
~~~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #10
When you can't win via logic, invoke "Lovejoy's Law" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #11
In your worldview your popguns are more important than innocent kids lives, I get it already. Electric Monk Jan 2015 #12
You "get" nothing. That is plain. Straw Man Jan 2015 #13
Interesting how you're accusing me of absolutist views while at the same time saying Electric Monk Jan 2015 #14
Let's see ... Straw Man Jan 2015 #16
Because I'm not in your "guns are teh awesome" club, I must be a Electric Monk Jan 2015 #18
What club is that? Straw Man Jan 2015 #19
re: "What does that have to do with your belief in gun control?" Electric Monk Jan 2015 #20
Well ... Straw Man Jan 2015 #21
For now, I'm saying good night, because it's getting late. In the meantime... Electric Monk Jan 2015 #22
No time to answer ... Straw Man Jan 2015 #23
Our interlocutor is remarkably reluctant to answer your question friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #29
All able bodied males 18 to 45 belong to the unorganized militia. All able bodied females 18 to 45 Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #25
Feedom from standing armies JackW Feb 2015 #48
You're projecting. beevul Jan 2015 #17
Under-aged drinking kills 4,300 kids annually. That's more than 4 Sandy Hooks a week. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #24
Those kids are killed the cool way...that's the way death is supposed to happen. ileus Jan 2015 #26
"Go post your opinions in that General Discussion thread" Why not unban and let me post at GCRA? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #27
There are only 3 other regular posters there oneshooter Jan 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #41
Your fearmongering and cheap appeals to emotion are no better than the NRA variety friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #30
I saved you the trouble of cross-posting to GD Electric Monk Jan 2015 #15
You got feedback from *one* poster, who was already sympathetic to your viewpoint friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #28
"GD Shaming" used to be their favorite trick DonP Jan 2015 #32
They use the same methods as the NRA- fearmongering, 'otherizing', appeals to emotion friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #33
I addressed that in an earlier thread. Most people aren't as obsessed with the issue as you are. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #35
That thread (and article) demonstrated that the NRA is better at motivating *their* faithful... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #36
There's a problem with that formulation. Straw Man Feb 2015 #37
"...ownership of weapons intended only to kill en masse..." beevul Feb 2015 #38
I read those 100 words from the new yorker twice... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #39
Wow, that's a whole lot of dumb in one paragraph DonP Feb 2015 #40
"clicking a "Rec" button to show their deep meaningful support." Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #42
Or clicking "Like" on Facebook, for that matter friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #43
NRA has more likes also Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #44
No response in defense of your article, EM? pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #47
So, let me get this straight krispos42 Feb 2015 #34
Wow, how very inconsiderate of you, pointing out the fallacy of the control minded DonP Feb 2015 #45
It's classic "poisoning the well"... krispos42 Feb 2015 #54
One of many posts that will go unanswered by the electric one. NT pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #46
"First Freedom"? JackW Feb 2015 #49
Right? It's amazing how stupid the NRA is. arcane1 Feb 2015 #50
In my experience, 2A activists generally don't know about, care about or defend Maedhros Feb 2015 #51
The 2A activists here at DU certainly do friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #52
I was thinking more of the open-carry advocates one sees on television. Maedhros Feb 2015 #53
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. I recommending this post for the wonderful ads toward the end.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jan 2015

And I wonder if the OP realizes that he's sending traffic to the site.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
4. I see ads for a music festival, a shoe store, and an electronics store
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jan 2015

when I turn adblockplus off. Where have *you* been browsing? You do know which google ads appear for you is based off your own browser history, right?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. Then you missed the "penis size reduction lotion" and "what to do with all that gold" ads?
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jan 2015

I like my adblockers kept *on*!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. Obama and the Dems in Congress have been good to gun owners
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jan 2015

it is amazing every gun owner doesn't know this.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
8. Let's not get that carried away...
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jan 2015

I don't think these are the 700 most dangerous day for gun owners. I would point to the scare from Sandy Hook as the worst threat to the 2A progress we've seen in a long time.

Hopefully those days are behind us and we can look forward to a bright future for the Second.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
11. When you can't win via logic, invoke "Lovejoy's Law"
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jan 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children


Authors John Meany and Kate Shuster wrote in their 2002 book Art, Argument, and Advocacy: Mastering Parliamentary Debate that usage of the phrase "Think of the children" in debate was a type of logical fallacy.[1] They identified this as a form of an appeal to emotion.[1] The authors explained that the debater will utilize the phrase in an effort to emotionally sway members of the listening public instead of engaging in logical discussion.[1] Meany and Shuster gave as an example: "I know this national missile defense plan has its detractors, but won’t someone please think of the children?"[1] The assessment that use of the exhortation: "Think of the children" is a type of appeal to emotion was echoed by Margie Borschke in an article for the journal, Media International Australia incorporating Culture and Policy.[3] Borschke went on to call this methodology a tactic of rhetoric.[3]

Ethicist Jack Marshall described "Think of the children!" as a tactic used in an attempt to cease back-and-forth discussion by invoking a powerful argument.[2] According to Marshall, the strategy proved useful due to its success at stopping individuals from engaging in rationality and reason.[2] He called this plan an unethical manner of obfuscating debate by misdirecting empathy towards another source which may not have been the focus of the original argument.[2] He wrote that usage of the phrase had positive intent but had a tendency to become irrational when used repeatedly by both sides in a dispute.[2] Marshall concluded that referring to the phrase had the impact of manipulating a simple act of following regulations into a confusing ethical quandary.[2] He cautioned that society should not fall into the mindset that citing "Think of the children!" had the ability to upstage all other morals and standards in civilization.[2]...

...Cory Doctorow wrote in a 2011 article for Make magazine that the phrase "Won’t someone think of the children?!" was used by irrational individuals to support arguments about the dangers to youth of four types of groups on the Internet.[25] These four groups, collectively referred to as "Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse" included: "pirates", terrorists, organized crime, and child pornographers.[25] He wrote that use of the phrase in such a manner was done with the intent of gagging additional discussion on the merits of the underlying issues and stopping rational analysis.[25] Doctorow observed that these tactics were often used during the burgeoning period when society was determining the proper approach to legal aspects of computing.


And since your sort are fond of employing cartoons in discussions like these:






 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
12. In your worldview your popguns are more important than innocent kids lives, I get it already.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 01:37 AM
Jan 2015

I hadn't actually said "think of the children" either, so your reply is a bit of a strawman My post was about glib sociopaths and magazine sizes.

Go post your opinions in that General Discussion thread, I dare you. I bet they fly like a lead balloon.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
13. You "get" nothing. That is plain.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jan 2015

No points for your desperate attempts to conflate average gun owners with murderous psychopaths or for your delusion that banning particular pieces of hardware will somehow prevent the latter from achieving their gruesome goals.

You never met a gun control proposition that you didn't like, and you believe that anyone who doesn't swallow your belief system whole is guilty of indifference to the slaughter of the innocents. It's a lame canard and always has been. And yes, it's a Lovejoy.

Go post your opinions in that General Discussion thread, I dare you. I bet they fly like a lead balloon.

Why should he? You already copy/pasted his post over there. So very classy. And what would be the point of anyone attempting to discuss anything in the "fuck 'em all" feeding frenzy that you're whipping up over there?

Don't pretend that you have any interest in actual discussion. It's an insult to everyone's intelligence, yours included.
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
14. Interesting how you're accusing me of absolutist views while at the same time saying
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:20 AM
Jan 2015

"You never met a gun control proposition that you didn't like"

I think confiscating all guns from everyone would be stupid and impossible to enforce too, so there I'm actually kind of a moderate compared to some gun control advocates. On a side note, I think I could still remember how to field strip, clean, and re-assemble an M16 in under five minutes, though I haven't done so in quite some time.

You clearly don't know me at all, but keep on posting, I enjoy it when you guys make yourselves look foolish

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
16. Let's see ...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:33 AM
Jan 2015
Interesting how you're accusing me of absolutist views while at the same time saying

"You never met a gun control proposition that you didn't like"

So ... I'm accusing you of having an absolutist view while ... accusing you of having an absolutist view. Is there supposed to be something logically inconsistent about that?

I think confiscating all guns from everyone would be stupid and impossible to enforce too, so there I'm actually kind of a moderate compared to some gun control advocates.

The charge was that you never met a gun control proposition you didn't like. Since I haven't heard anyone propose the straw man you refer to above, I'll stand by my characterization. Unless, of course, you can identify an actual piece of gun control legislation that you oppose.

You're a moderate? Of course you are, bless your heart.

On a side note, I think I could still remember how to field strip, clean, and re-assemble an M16 in under five minutes, though I haven't done so in quite some time.

Very admirable -- and completely irrelevant. What does that have to do with your belief in gun control?

You clearly don't know me at all, but keep on posting, I enjoy it when you guys make yourselves look foolish

I know what you post, and I believe I have characterized it accurately. Nothing you have said here indicates otherwise.
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
18. Because I'm not in your "guns are teh awesome" club, I must be a
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:47 AM
Jan 2015

"never met a gun control prop he didn't like" type.

Is there supposed to be something logically inconsistent about that?
yes

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
19. What club is that?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jan 2015
Because I'm not in your "guns are teh awesome" club, I must be a

"never met a gun control prop he didn't like" type.

Not familiar with that particular organization. It doesn't sound like one I'd like to be involved with, given the grammar and spelling issues.

Perhaps you'd like to indicate which actual gun control legislation you don't support. That would be the only way to disprove my characterization.
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
20. re: "What does that have to do with your belief in gun control?"
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:57 AM
Jan 2015

Join a 'well regulated militia' if you want to fully exercise your 2nd amendment rights. You can even get paid for it.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
21. Well ...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:06 AM
Jan 2015
Join a 'well regulated militia' if you want to fully exercise your 2nd amendment rights. You can even get paid for it.

... the POTUS has said that he believes in the individual right to keep and bear arms. So why are you doubling down on the collective interpretation?

Are you saying that only the military should be armed? That people who get their jollies playing with M-16s should join the Guard? That you think your military experience gives you some kind of "gun cred" that magically makes you a moderate? None of this has any relevance to the matter under discussion. What exactly are you saying?
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
22. For now, I'm saying good night, because it's getting late. In the meantime...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:21 AM
Jan 2015

Care to find a POTUS comment or two on large cap magazines and universal background checks?

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
23. No time to answer ...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 03:25 AM
Jan 2015

... the question about gun control legislation you don't support? Such a shame.

Care to find a POTUS comment or two on large cap magazines and universal background checks?

Not necessary. I know where he stands on those. I agree with him on the latter and disagree on the former. The individual vs. collective interpretation issue is far more important -- fundamental, actually -- and there you are in complete disagreement with the POTUS.
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
29. Our interlocutor is remarkably reluctant to answer your question
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jan 2015

That's not suprising- I've noticed most gun prohibtionists are rather shy about coming out of the closet
and prefer to hide their views when expressing themselves in public

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
25. All able bodied males 18 to 45 belong to the unorganized militia. All able bodied females 18 to 45
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:34 AM
Jan 2015

with prior military service also belong to the unorganized militia.

It's federal law.

JackW

(6 posts)
48. Feedom from standing armies
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 05:21 PM
Feb 2015

Except today we have a very powerful standing army and no well regulated militias like those of the Founding era, the exact opposite of what most of the Founders wanted. As Thomas Jefferson told George Washington, the Second Amendment was supposed to mean "freedom from standing armies."

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
17. You're projecting.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 02:34 AM
Jan 2015

"In your worldview your popguns are more important than innocent kids lives, I get it already."

You're projecting.

Its you lot who refuse to separate suicides from homicides, preferring to treat them as if they're the same, so that you can point the finger at the evil gun.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
24. Under-aged drinking kills 4,300 kids annually. That's more than 4 Sandy Hooks a week.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:30 AM
Jan 2015

Show us how consistent you are in your love for the children.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
26. Those kids are killed the cool way...that's the way death is supposed to happen.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jan 2015

besides it's good for the earth...carbon footprint reduction and all that jazz.


but firearms...now those are the real killers. If only we could convince all those guns to stop killing people.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
27. "Go post your opinions in that General Discussion thread" Why not unban and let me post at GCRA?
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

Perhaps we can discuss why cheap appeals to emotion don't seem to be working towards:

...reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels.


It seems you and the other regular posters are less interested in reducing gun violence and
more interested in repeatedly proclaiming your moral superiority over those that disagree with
you.

Gun controllers have a bubble, one that is not much different than the "conservative/Christian
bubble"

Like them, you hate and fear those that do not believe as you do...


Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #27)

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
30. Your fearmongering and cheap appeals to emotion are no better than the NRA variety
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
28. You got feedback from *one* poster, who was already sympathetic to your viewpoint
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jan 2015

You should get out of the 'gun control bubble' more...

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
32. "GD Shaming" used to be their favorite trick
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jan 2015

It's supposed to make all the gun owners feel bad. "See, everybody in GD thinks you're sickos too."

Doesn't work too well though.

Now, with many of the GD gun posts being locked, not as much fun for the control fans. But I guess it's better than the same 3 people that post in Echo Chamber Bansalot.

Too bad none of all those "avid gun control supporters" in GD won't even bother to go to his safe forum and opine, ain't it? Maybe they are "avid" as long as it's convenient and they don't have to click to a new forum?

The irony is all the whining about the NRA is increasing the number of NRA ads that show up on DU.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
33. They use the same methods as the NRA- fearmongering, 'otherizing', appeals to emotion
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jan 2015

That's why I despise both groups. They have become what they hate...

A rather good song about that mindset:

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
35. I addressed that in an earlier thread. Most people aren't as obsessed with the issue as you are.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:58 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=158158

The underlying politics of gun control has always been the same: the majority of Americans agree that there should be limits and controls on the manufacture and sale and ownership of weapons intended only to kill en masse, while a small minority feels, with a fanatic passion, that there shouldn’t. In a process familiar to any student of society, the majority of people in favor of gun sanity care about a lot of other things, too, and think about them far more often; the gun crazy think about guns all the time, and vote on the issue with fanatic intensity.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/newtown-lawsuit-moral-work-gun-control
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
36. That thread (and article) demonstrated that the NRA is better at motivating *their* faithful...
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:40 PM
Feb 2015

...than the astroturf creation of a billionaire otherwise known for decidedly unprogressive political positions

All of the cod-religious verbiage in the world can't change that...

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
37. There's a problem with that formulation.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 07:31 PM
Feb 2015
In a process familiar to any student of society, the majority of people in favor of gun sanity care about a lot of other things, too, and think about them far more often; the gun crazy think about guns all the time, and vote on the issue with fanatic intensity.

Votes that are cast "with fanatic intensity" count no more than votes that are cast any other way. If these voters are truly a "small minority," no politician would care a whit what they think, NRA or no NRA.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
38. "...ownership of weapons intended only to kill en masse..."
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 07:46 PM
Feb 2015

"...ownership of weapons intended only to kill en masse..."


There ARE limits and controls on "manufacture and sale and ownership of weapons intended only to kill en masse".

Examples of weapons intended to kill en masse :

Bombs

Grenades

Nukes


Of course, you lot would like to convince everyone who will listen, that semi-automatic weapons which fire a single shot per pull of the trigger just like granddads shotgun or deer rifle, fit that definition.

Its dishonest, its disingenuous, and its contrary to reality.

In other words, good luck with that.



discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
39. I read those 100 words from the new yorker twice...
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:11 PM
Feb 2015

...just to be sure. Rephrased in my own words to be more concise: 'You guys are screwed, huh?'

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
40. Wow, that's a whole lot of dumb in one paragraph
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:26 PM
Feb 2015

The author, not you of course.

"...weapons intended only to kill en masse"

As the best selling rifles in America for over a decade so many are obviously faulty.

But it's easy for the 1%ers to keep the ignorant out there upset with the support of a handful of "useful idiots". Too bad they don't bother to vote about it too, huh?

"the gun crazy think about guns all the time, and vote on the issue with fanatic intensity."

Kind of the same way "92% agree with more gun control" ... they just can't be bothered to vote or post about it.

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot, some of them will even go as far as clicking a "Rec" button to show their deep meaningful support.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
43. Or clicking "Like" on Facebook, for that matter
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:51 PM
Feb 2015

I noticed something about that.

EGS has about 550K "supporters" by that metric, and that
"support" costs them nothing aside from having a Facebook account, which is free.

They claim to be grassroots. I rather doubt the veracity of that claim, but for the sake
of argument let us say that the claim is true.

Would not the NRA be even *more* grassroots, so to speak, as they have circa
7-8X EGS's membership? Not to mention that one must pay at least $20/year for
NRA membership, while EGS can be 'joined' for essentially nothing.


Yet the prohibitionists would have us believe the NRA is entirely the creation
of firearms manufacturers...

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
34. So, let me get this straight
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:51 PM
Feb 2015

Democrats nationwide are hoping that, with the last midterm elections behind Obama, him unable to run for re-election, and him unlikely to run for elected office for the rest of this life, that he will therefore use this last two years to be the real liberal lion we've all wished he was.

But it's entirely crazy and paranoid to think that he might do something on guns.

And you go so far as to mock the very IDEA that he might.









I mean, your side calls private gun ownerships a blight, a cancer, a plague on America. You're willing give Republicans elections in order to remove ergonomic grips from rifles and shotguns. But it's absolutely insane and paranoid to even hint that Obama, in the final 23 months of his presidency, might make moves on guns that YOUR SIDE has been begging and petitioning and advocating him to do.


Wow, talk about a disconnect.

Your side openly wants to take guns away from people, yet mocks those that point this out as being paranoid loons.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
45. Wow, how very inconsiderate of you, pointing out the fallacy of the control minded
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:49 AM
Feb 2015

We need to save this for use on a regular basis, every time one of them calls us paranoid in the same thread where another demands a gun ban of one flavor or another.

My personal favorite is the; "nobody wants to ban/take away your guns - we just want to get rid of the ones that are only good for killing masses of people."

I bet they'll be hard pressed to find just the right cartoons to defend against the reality and logic in your post.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
54. It's classic "poisoning the well"...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 02:00 AM
Feb 2015

...you set up the talking-point that your opponent is a paranoid loon if they accuse you of doing "A", then once there's a media precedent established you in fact do "A" and let the established media response give you cover.

JackW

(6 posts)
49. "First Freedom"?
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 06:15 PM
Feb 2015

Thomas Jefferson played a strong part in the generation of the Bill of Rights. He called the Second Amendment "Freedom from standing armies," not "Freedom from gun control."

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
50. Right? It's amazing how stupid the NRA is.
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 06:18 PM
Feb 2015

One would think the "First Freedom" wouldn't be the SECOND amendment!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
51. In my experience, 2A activists generally don't know about, care about or defend
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 06:43 PM
Feb 2015

any of the other Amendments.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
53. I was thinking more of the open-carry advocates one sees on television.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:18 AM
Feb 2015

And the crazy guy I know who ran for governor as a Libertarian.

Like Christians, only the nutjob 2A advocates ever get media coverage.

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