difficulty believing that anyone truly thanks it's a valid characterization of most/some/any persons with CCW. Really, it's just a revamp of the old schoolyard classic: "Yer a chicken! Bawk! Bawk! Bawk!"

No different than the nonsensical penis references, when 'explaining' why someone might own a gun (or a Hummer, or whatever) - just a transparent attempt to belittle and provoke one's opponents, in lieu of thought or discussion...

What's so disappointing is what the attitude says about America:

"We can't make things better, so we have to carry firearms."

It's acquiescence to the Libertarian free-for-all ethic.

...the state has no legitimate reason to restrict their ownership-
and those seeking such restrictions are no more or less ideological culture warriors
of the same ilk as Roy Moore, Rafael Cruz, or William Bennett.

I'm genuinely curious, as violent crime has been dropping for years...

Violence crime has never been lower - I certainly don't guns because of fear.

though not in the way you think- see #7

But since a person who carries a gun is not human, just a frightened animal-http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628533#post15
It is ok to simply put them down-

cause of all violent crime AND police excess.

Carrying a weapon for self-defense is not necessarily an abandonment of the common good for
some libertarian ideal. Cops are under no obligation to protect individual citizens.

If arming oneself is "an insult to the state" (Ramsey Clark)...

https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kates.bigotry.html

I would prefer to work toward such an outcome by addressing the root causes of violent crime, rather than arming myself.

I find it sad that so many Americans feel the need to carry concealed weapons. It's not indicative of a healthy society.

...necessary by some. However, we *do* live in that society- but you might take some comfort in
knowing that violent crime rates have dropped considerably in recent decades.

Gun ownership also seems to be on the decline.

of gun owners justifies assault on a legal gun carrier

There is one poster here that is afraid of a licensed concealed carry person in his class that might require protection from a real and documented threat like a protective order. I do not know anyone that actually carries due to fear, but it does seem like the irrational fear is on the side that trembles at the sight or even the possibility of a person being legally armed.

I am sure we will have many of them chiming in here any minute. Like the one that said there were no regulations and ran away when proven wrong.

As noted above, those who prattle on about how scary gun owners are aren't
at all different than the likes of Roy Moore, Rafael Cruz, or William Bennett in his heyday.

The worst was a Libertarian nut-job who seemed to be itching for a confrontation with police.

I'm sure they are a minority, but they're out there.

The scariest ones claimed to be part of this outfit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

Noting that these types *are* a minority (and a glance at the FBI's "Crime In The United States"
will confirm this) will get one denounced in certain circles.

Just as some would have us believe that every gay person is a John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer
in waiting or every cannabis user is a future heroin addict, much capital is expended in certain circles
trying to convince people than most gun owners are one bad day away from a shooting spree

as to require a "safe haven" where open debate is censored.

nt

that is just my humble opinion. At least the host here allows your viewpoint to be posted in your favorite group. I think that is a good thing, don't you?

I do like to engage your side occasionally, which is why I post here too. The other group IS NOT FOR YOU, just like ar-15.com, thehighroad.com, etc. are not for liberals.

so far you have not answered and seem to be afraid to take credit or disavow it was you. So was it you? yes or no?

Yes, No, or run away.

Just like a cat hater posting on a cat fancy website would be a troll there, or a punk rock only fan posting on a classical music forum would be a troll there too.

so, why wouldn't I be posting in both?

Can't I post on both?

would that be us here that like seeing accurate information posted?

...or the authority of the current President of the Church, Mike Bloomberg...

Let them be angry with us- it's a side effect of their ineffectualness

Shows a lot to me at least

I ask again

in your alert, how nice of you.
This arrogant gun nut needs to be reminded what website they are on, and they are not on ar15.com.
Nice of you finally to admit it. I guess I am just sad and thought you were above that. I am glad I am above that and hold myself to a much higher standard. Kind of like how a host should.

That is OK, I can live with that knowing I am civil and I have had bad hides.

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I called out that as a host you allowed posts like this to stand and condone them by not moderating your group.

I lurk over there and some other right wing sites. DU is brought up fairly regularly, and posters used to discuss openly about how they have troll accounts here. It was almost like a competition to see who could be picked up by MIRT the quickest. At least now the mods tend to lock those threads, but people from ar15.com and other RW sites coming here to troll is no secret.

Do not go to sites like them. No need to.

I own two firearms, neither of which have left the house for years. Do I belong in your hypothetical "gunthusiast" club? Is anyone who is not in favor of a total ban a "gunthusiast"?

I would just like to know what the membership requirements are.

has no clue of what he's talking about.
Oh wait, yes I can.

Why is it to the controllers that it's always about fear when one carry's a firearm? Are they projecting their own fears? Are they so insecure in their lives that they have to make up non based accusations about others?

What a sad life they live.

to be afraid that a person might just be concealed carrying around them. They must be afraid of everyone as they will never know who is or is not. I think that might just be an irrational fear myself.

that happens to be a host to admit an insult directed at me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172163873#post35

He avoided answering that question for a while now. The snarky ar-15 comments tripped him up.

Which it was, but you keep doubling down

It shows a lot to all of us here that you just can't bring yourself to acknowledge in the open or even in a PM that you posted an insult directed at me. I can tell by your posts you did and it is very telling the type of person you are. I have asked you on multiple issues for simple questions and you do not care to answer them. The reason I do not know if you are just being obtuse, you just hate me or you are just scared you might have to admit something you do not want to. I have always tried to be civil to you but I do point out how you have a history of treating firearms owners here on DU poorly and allow insults to be posted in the group you fought to run and do not moderate them. You tried one time and I even gave you credit for that with one of your regular posters and he got mad and self deleted many of his posts and ran away. Now you have posted that was a mistake and you should have let that over the top insult stand. You come here and post which is a good thing but please be civil and polite like most people and answer the questions posted to you by several members here not just me. You seem to get mad at me when I keep posting the questions but if you would do the common courtesy of answering them, I would not have to do that. As for that insult directed to me, yes I am quite sure you posted it since you still refuse to say that it was not you. It is really a sad state when you have to resort to insults as you have no civil discussion points to be made.

They act genuinely surprised.

Given a little power...a very slight amount...and this is how they behave with it.


Nobody should wonder why there is a large number who would be uncomfortable with anti-gun folks wielding any significant power in government.

"I will always vote to hide pro-gun psycho crap. ALWAYS."

Gee, thats an attitude I want judges and politicians to have.

that tends to say a lot about their thinking and how they compromise.

There's no doubt in my mind, judging by his comments in that thread about his post being hidden,
he was the one that insulted you.
I think the frustration of the controllers is over riding their common sense because of their lack of success to enact stricter gun control, which they hope would lead to an eventual ban on certain classes of firearms.

I really do pity them.

no, I did not send that alert.

Skinner even slapped him down and that is extraordinarily rare.

along with a couple of others asking the same thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628570#post25

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628570#post25

You seem to have gotten under the skin of this person,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628570#post21

the crazy thing is if they would just answer a simple question it would be over. Since they refuse I just keep asking and that makes them look even worse. I am sure they get pissed off but there is a very easy fix.

Just answer the question. They bring it on themselves. There are a few loke that other than the the host of that other group.

It does look like they want to censor discussion. They require a "safe haven" and want Skinner to close this group down. I guess they do not like losing the discussions with us posting facts.

easy fix but I guess you know you were the one that insulted me in the alert and you could not do that without lying. It is a sad thing for a host to post insults. There is always a small chance it was not you and you can end it by just truthfully saying if it was or was not you? So far you have not.

I ask you questions and you just do not like it since you are not in your required "safe haven" that you control.

So what is you proof for your latest accusation of DU members that post in this group?

So Electric Monk, what proof do you have for this statement or are you going to apologize to us in this group?

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.

I wish I could say I was shocked, and that normally you are above such behavior. But I'm not, and you're not.

Nobody 'taunts' you simply because you're a host. You know that, I know that, and anyone that reads these threads in any meaningful way will know that.

You get called out for making disparaging remarks about others in a way and in an arena in which they can not respond.

And you get called out for hypocrisy.


Most people would call that "self inflicted".


You don't seem to like have any light shined on such behavior on your own part.


Some words of advice:

The easiest path to having those things stop, is not to engage in hypocrisy, and not to make disparaging remarks about us behind your strict iron curtain where we can't respond to them.

You wont shaming or intimidating anyone into being silent about it, I guarantee you that.

but I do take issue with you and your cohorts urging Skinner to shut down this group because you don't like the tenor of our discussions.

great and civil discussion when you try and censor civil discussions you do not agree with and can not control like their "safe haven" where they insult with impunity and the host allows it.

So Electric Monk, what proof do you have for this statement or are you going to apologize to us in this group?

He gives us several daily doses of entertainment for free!

If they were still little, I would hire him to come and entertain them and their friends at the Pizza Hut.

for open and honest debate. It's sad that you come into a group whose host actually allows free discussion and have nothing to offer but your own empty hostility.

It's how they operate, hoping for a hide if you reply.


Anywhere else they're known as internet bullies, here's they're heros.

Even more sad when it is a host

The NRA only has about 4 million members. A tiny fraction of gun owners. Look at their board of directors. I won't do business with those creeps.

Florida banned "climate change".....and there appears to be an "NRA" mention ban here.....so obvious it is actually amusing.

My father went to Vietnam when the government sent him. Nugent didn't smear shit over himself to avoid it in protest to it being an unjust war, he did it just for himself. But he wraps himself in the flag like a 'patriot' today, because it's marketable. He wouldn't enjoy talking to me.

Who banned mentioning the NRA?

Like saying one hates the GOP but loves all it's policies....jaw dropping.

Nobody I've seen here anyway.

Sorry that whole shaming and "guilt by vague association" thing doesn't seem to be working out for you or your little friends Freddie.

Amazing as it is, nobody here seems to care what you think of them. Perhaps come back after another week or so in the wilderness and try a new tactic like you usually do.

After all, you're doing such a fine job of changing hearts and minds, not to mention the gun control line up of electoral and judicial victories.

Be sure and tell us again how the Tide is Turning.

T-publicans?

Sure, I'm a competitive shooter, etc. But I'm also a socialist. I suspect the latter would easily trump the former.

Being safe doesn't equate to being afraid....but then again we're talking about folks that believe "guns kill people"

but the pity turns to anger when they demand that I compromise my family's safety to satify their warped beliefs.

to that group, please?

"Cool story bro."



Oh, if you don't mind, please be sure to include the

Thanks.

I think this sums it up nicely..