Gun Control & RKBA
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169572
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172114873
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172141757
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172153425
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172166445
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172152907
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169149
This array of fine information brought to you as a sample of the opinions, comments, proposed social programs, suggested solutions and proposed new laws from the pro-control side. For those who don't have the time to read through, there are none represented in any of those seven OPs. The only conclusion I can reach is these are presented to further the objective "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE". I suggest that, lacking comment, opinion or suggestion, these basically lead one to the conclusion that 'trying anything at all is a good idea'.
I welcome comments from both sides for where any of these thought provoking articles should point.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Some folks don't mind pouring rights and freedom down the crapper...if only we could appeal to peoples emotions we could get something done.
Not very progressive, and that's sad. We're supposed to be the "thinking" side.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)making demeaning comments about the appearance of the pair across from them, the bartender interjected, "That's a mirror"
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)That ultimately makes it very self-centered in nature.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)been historical in nature.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Political cartoons will often provide the stimulus to stop and think, to look sideways or look afresh at a particular issue. We hope that users of this section will find much to provide a focus for personal reflection.
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http://www.developmenteducation.ie/teachers-and-educators/using-resources/cartoons.html
http://www.dirksencenterprojects.org/cartoons/value.htm
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=2398
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)I value those contributions so much that I'd really like to hear yours, for once.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)I've posted a fair bit on the subject of gun control, as I'm sure you know. I'm not one of the "confiscate all guns!" types, but I do think limits are in order. There is a line, we are just debating where it should be drawn.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Perhaps you would enlighten me.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)I know you'll jump on anything I propose as a slippery slope, and it's just meaningless posts on the internet, and I'm just some anonymous guy with one opinion... but thanks for caring
It's hilarous that you and your cohorts thinks these toons actually reasonates
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with the average American citizen. LOL.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026885646
IRL, the average American citizen could care less about your toons, they may reasonate here on DU, but not in the real world.
But keep posting your toons if you truly believe they make a difference, meanwhile, us pro 2A will keep doing actions that actually work, you know, things like petitioning our Reps, writing letters, attending town meetings, etc.
I found that in my inbox earlier today, unsolicited, since we're on the subject of 'toons here. They bug the shit out of people who can't rebut them effectively, which is another reason I like using them.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)no ideas you can articulate? Or is that something you will only do in the "safe haven" where "never is heard a dissenting word"?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Such a proposal, while constitutional, would be virtually unenforceable amongst the criminal class and would have no effect on the 2/3 of firearms deaths that are suicides.
UBC's are not a bad idea if the Feds would open the NICS system up to non-FFL holders; but without a national registry would have little impact on transfer of firearms to prohibited persons. I have some seldom used firearms in my possession; should I choose to sell I would either sell to someone I know personally is not prohibited or to a dealer.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Either SC forgot to tell the feds about Roof's drug arrest and pending trial or SLED has its head up its ass.
OR
The old man needs to be prosecuted for illegal transfer under the Gun Control Act.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)and I have seen nothing to indicated Roof had been indicted. Either of which would prohibit the purchase. An arrest alone will not prevent purchase.
Cho, at VA Tech, should have been in the database but was not. Like most components of the Criminal Justice system, funding is normally kept at a level just short of catastrophe until something falls in the pot. Then money flows like water and most is wasted on "dog and pony" shows.
The fact is, there is virtually no way to prevent another mass killing without hardening all targets so that the world becomes a virtual prison. There are simply too many ways to conduct a large-scale killing with items commonly available.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)I don't really believe that. While nothing is 100%, I think there's progress to be made.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)I also believe that there is no way to stop the person who is willing to die in the attempt to cause mass carnage. YMMV.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)at VA Tech and Charleston, where the shooter reloaded 5 times with no interruption? Not being snarky, but magazine limits only affect those inclined to obey the law to begin with. Anyone willing to murder 9 people is not going to be deterred by a law restricting magazine capacity. YMMV.
beevul
(12,194 posts)When you bounce them off of reality, magazine capacity restrictions are gun control for the sake of gun control.
They fail and fail and fail again to do what those who promote them say they're promoting them to do, so what else can they possibly be?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)You mentioned UBC, I like that. I don't like public availability. I'd prefer that both parties stop at the local FFL or LE office.
Sound okay to you?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)that you never make a comment on or discuss per the group SOP? You may have a high post count and this is your favorite group but you do very rarely make a comment about the subject. More often then not you make unrelated comments.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Most of my posts are fully on topic as I enjoy discussion.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I keep seeing these OP's making such comparisons with the "reasoned" pro gun side.
The gun lobby props you up but you never admit to it.
If by some strange turn of events the funding by the gun manufacturers and the NRA were to disappear you would be seeing a different picture.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Yes but you're ignoring the main body of it and the reasons for it.
Propped us up? Backed us up, perhaps. The difference is that the tens of millions who see amendment 2 as a right rather than a privilege would still be here tomorrow if the 'gun lobby' disappeared overnight.
If pro-gun funding disappeared overnight, and took mike Bloomberg with them, the proportions of the picture and what it paints would be exactly the same as they are now.
Nothing would have changed, and anti-gunners would still have been be outnumbered by 75 to 25, as they are now.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)matter how many people owned guns. Control can't be heard in legislatures because money drowns it out.
I am the first to admit that many proposed gun laws would not slow down gun violence but some could without stepping on gun rights.
beevul
(12,194 posts)At some point, that has to translate into "If the gun lobby did not buy politicians, people would vote contrary to their beliefs in the second amendment".
The problem, is that people never do vote that way, and never will vote that way.
You guys who are pro-more-control really do not understand the people who fundamentally disagree with so many of the methods you propose, and therefore can not understand the nature or the magnitude of the opposition.
I say that with no intent to insult, only as an observation.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)http://study.com/academy/lesson/false-consensus-effect-definition-example.html
So, when things don't go the way they want they blame a) Malevolent forces (i.e.: the NRA/racism/rednecks/the GOP/their boogeyman of choice), b) The supposed stupidity of the masses, or c) Both
It's not just the gun controllers/gun prohibitionists- a *lot* of people don't want to accept that
one or another of their particular political beliefs may not be as popular as they believe it to be.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...truth is only true when it's been paid for? Or do you not read/remember much of what I, in particular, have to say?