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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:29 AM Jun 2015

Links, short cuts, copied news and 'toons

Just a selection:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169572

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172114873

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172141757

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172153425

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172166445

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172152907

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169149

This array of fine information brought to you as a sample of the opinions, comments, proposed social programs, suggested solutions and proposed new laws from the pro-control side. For those who don't have the time to read through, there are none represented in any of those seven OPs. The only conclusion I can reach is these are presented to further the objective "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE". I suggest that, lacking comment, opinion or suggestion, these basically lead one to the conclusion that 'trying anything at all is a good idea'.

I welcome comments from both sides for where any of these thought provoking articles should point.

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Links, short cuts, copied news and 'toons (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 OP
"I feel strongly about this" ileus Jun 2015 #1
As the two patrons of the tavern continued edgineered Jun 2015 #3
Catharsis only feels good for those engaged in it. It serves no useful purpose. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #2
It sure as hell doesn't drive election results. n/t DonP Jun 2015 #4
I respectfully disagree, sir. It does wonders for the GOP. Some of their results have Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #5
Point taken and agreed DonP Jun 2015 #7
re: 'toons Electric Monk Jun 2015 #6
Everybody's got an opinion or an idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #8
I'm not clear on what you mean by that, other than merely being snarky? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #9
Maybe I just don't read enough but I'm not that clear on the placement of your line discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #10
Well, for starters... Electric Monk Jun 2015 #11
So, blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #12
I'm in favor of UBC for every firearm purchase, and limits on magazine sizes. For starters. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #13
Why limits on magazine sizes? blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #14
and if the FBI gets accurate up to date information gejohnston Jun 2015 #15
An arrest is not a conviction blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #16
re: "...hardening all targets so that the world becomes a virtual prison." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #20
I agree, progress can be made. blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #21
So spree killers, at the least, have to reload a little more often during their killing sprees. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #23
Because that worked so well blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #24
When you bounce them off of reality... beevul Jun 2015 #25
Congrats on working to bug the shit of people discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #19
Still waiting for an answer to post #19 n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #26
could it be the hundreds of posts here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #17
Thank you for your meaningful contribution to this discussion /irony Electric Monk Jun 2015 #18
No problem, unlike you Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #22
The control side is at a disadvantage. upaloopa Jun 2015 #27
Yes but you're ignoring the main body of it and the reasons for it. beevul Jun 2015 #28
If the gun lobby did not buy politicians it wouldn't upaloopa Jun 2015 #29
At some point that has to translate... beevul Jun 2015 #30
Gun control advocacy in general is rife with 'false consensus effect' friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #31
So you're implying... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #32

ileus

(15,396 posts)
1. "I feel strongly about this"
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jun 2015

Some folks don't mind pouring rights and freedom down the crapper...if only we could appeal to peoples emotions we could get something done.

Not very progressive, and that's sad. We're supposed to be the "thinking" side.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
3. As the two patrons of the tavern continued
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

making demeaning comments about the appearance of the pair across from them, the bartender interjected, "That's a mirror"

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
2. Catharsis only feels good for those engaged in it. It serves no useful purpose.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jun 2015

That ultimately makes it very self-centered in nature.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. I respectfully disagree, sir. It does wonders for the GOP. Some of their results have
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jun 2015

been historical in nature.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
6. re: 'toons
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jun 2015
Political cartoons can be a particularly valuable resource for development and human rights education. They, at their best, encapsulate some very complex issues, different viewpoints and some of the contradictions which are a real part of many situations. They can make links between issues which can turn them inside out - this is one of the key strengths.

Political cartoons will often provide the stimulus to stop and think, to look sideways or look afresh at a particular issue. We hope that users of this section will find much to provide a focus for personal reflection.

more
http://www.developmenteducation.ie/teachers-and-educators/using-resources/cartoons.html


Editorial cartoons teach students to identify issues, analyze symbols, acknowledge the need for background knowledge, recognize stereotypes and caricatures, think critically, and appreciate the role of irony and humor.

http://www.dirksencenterprojects.org/cartoons/value.htm


eg.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=2398

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
8. Everybody's got an opinion or an idea
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jun 2015

I value those contributions so much that I'd really like to hear yours, for once.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
9. I'm not clear on what you mean by that, other than merely being snarky?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jun 2015

I've posted a fair bit on the subject of gun control, as I'm sure you know. I'm not one of the "confiscate all guns!" types, but I do think limits are in order. There is a line, we are just debating where it should be drawn.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
10. Maybe I just don't read enough but I'm not that clear on the placement of your line
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jun 2015

Perhaps you would enlighten me.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
11. Well, for starters...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jun 2015

I know you'll jump on anything I propose as a slippery slope, and it's just meaningless posts on the internet, and I'm just some anonymous guy with one opinion... but thanks for caring

GGJohn
It's hilarous that you and your cohorts thinks these toons actually reasonates

Mail Message
with the average American citizen. LOL.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026885646

IRL, the average American citizen could care less about your toons, they may reasonate here on DU, but not in the real world.
But keep posting your toons if you truly believe they make a difference, meanwhile, us pro 2A will keep doing actions that actually work, you know, things like petitioning our Reps, writing letters, attending town meetings, etc.


I found that in my inbox earlier today, unsolicited, since we're on the subject of 'toons here. They bug the shit out of people who can't rebut them effectively, which is another reason I like using them.
 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
12. So,
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jun 2015

no ideas you can articulate? Or is that something you will only do in the "safe haven" where "never is heard a dissenting word"?

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
14. Why limits on magazine sizes?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jun 2015

Such a proposal, while constitutional, would be virtually unenforceable amongst the criminal class and would have no effect on the 2/3 of firearms deaths that are suicides.

UBC's are not a bad idea if the Feds would open the NICS system up to non-FFL holders; but without a national registry would have little impact on transfer of firearms to prohibited persons. I have some seldom used firearms in my possession; should I choose to sell I would either sell to someone I know personally is not prohibited or to a dealer.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
15. and if the FBI gets accurate up to date information
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jun 2015

Either SC forgot to tell the feds about Roof's drug arrest and pending trial or SLED has its head up its ass.
OR
The old man needs to be prosecuted for illegal transfer under the Gun Control Act.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
16. An arrest is not a conviction
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jun 2015

and I have seen nothing to indicated Roof had been indicted. Either of which would prohibit the purchase. An arrest alone will not prevent purchase.

Cho, at VA Tech, should have been in the database but was not. Like most components of the Criminal Justice system, funding is normally kept at a level just short of catastrophe until something falls in the pot. Then money flows like water and most is wasted on "dog and pony" shows.

The fact is, there is virtually no way to prevent another mass killing without hardening all targets so that the world becomes a virtual prison. There are simply too many ways to conduct a large-scale killing with items commonly available.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
20. re: "...hardening all targets so that the world becomes a virtual prison."
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jun 2015

I don't really believe that. While nothing is 100%, I think there's progress to be made.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
21. I agree, progress can be made.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jun 2015

I also believe that there is no way to stop the person who is willing to die in the attempt to cause mass carnage. YMMV.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
24. Because that worked so well
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jun 2015

at VA Tech and Charleston, where the shooter reloaded 5 times with no interruption? Not being snarky, but magazine limits only affect those inclined to obey the law to begin with. Anyone willing to murder 9 people is not going to be deterred by a law restricting magazine capacity. YMMV.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
25. When you bounce them off of reality...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jun 2015

When you bounce them off of reality, magazine capacity restrictions are gun control for the sake of gun control.

They fail and fail and fail again to do what those who promote them say they're promoting them to do, so what else can they possibly be?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
19. Congrats on working to bug the shit of people
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jun 2015

You mentioned UBC, I like that. I don't like public availability. I'd prefer that both parties stop at the local FFL or LE office.
Sound okay to you?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
17. could it be the hundreds of posts here
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

that you never make a comment on or discuss per the group SOP? You may have a high post count and this is your favorite group but you do very rarely make a comment about the subject. More often then not you make unrelated comments.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
27. The control side is at a disadvantage.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

I keep seeing these OP's making such comparisons with the "reasoned" pro gun side.
The gun lobby props you up but you never admit to it.
If by some strange turn of events the funding by the gun manufacturers and the NRA were to disappear you would be seeing a different picture.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
28. Yes but you're ignoring the main body of it and the reasons for it.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jun 2015
The control side is at a disadvantage.


Yes but you're ignoring the main body of it and the reasons for it.

The gun lobby props you up but you never admit to it.


Propped us up? Backed us up, perhaps. The difference is that the tens of millions who see amendment 2 as a right rather than a privilege would still be here tomorrow if the 'gun lobby' disappeared overnight.

If by some strange turn of events the funding by the gun manufacturers and the NRA were to disappear you would be seeing a different picture.


If pro-gun funding disappeared overnight, and took mike Bloomberg with them, the proportions of the picture and what it paints would be exactly the same as they are now.

Nothing would have changed, and anti-gunners would still have been be outnumbered by 75 to 25, as they are now.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
29. If the gun lobby did not buy politicians it wouldn't
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jun 2015

matter how many people owned guns. Control can't be heard in legislatures because money drowns it out.
I am the first to admit that many proposed gun laws would not slow down gun violence but some could without stepping on gun rights.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
30. At some point that has to translate...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015
If the gun lobby did not buy politicians it wouldn't matter how many people owned guns.


At some point, that has to translate into "If the gun lobby did not buy politicians, people would vote contrary to their beliefs in the second amendment".

The problem, is that people never do vote that way, and never will vote that way.

You guys who are pro-more-control really do not understand the people who fundamentally disagree with so many of the methods you propose, and therefore can not understand the nature or the magnitude of the opposition.

I say that with no intent to insult, only as an observation.
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
31. Gun control advocacy in general is rife with 'false consensus effect'
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jun 2015
https://www.google.com/search?q=false+consensus+effect&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

http://study.com/academy/lesson/false-consensus-effect-definition-example.html

Simply put, it is the tendency for individuals to overestimate the level to which other people share their beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors. False consensus effect is a type of bias in which we think that our own opinions, attitudes, beliefs, etc. are common and appropriate, so that others must also feel the same way. When we have a particular belief, we tend to estimate that belief to be more prevalent than it is by individuals that have an alternative belief.


So, when things don't go the way they want they blame a) Malevolent forces (i.e.: the NRA/racism/rednecks/the GOP/their boogeyman of choice), b) The supposed stupidity of the masses, or c) Both

It's not just the gun controllers/gun prohibitionists- a *lot* of people don't want to accept that
one or another of their particular political beliefs may not be as popular as they believe it to be.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
32. So you're implying...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jun 2015

...truth is only true when it's been paid for? Or do you not read/remember much of what I, in particular, have to say?

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