Gun Control & RKBA

DetlefK

(16,423 posts) Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:01 AM Jul 2015

Those who would prefer as little active shooter scenarios as the rest of the world...

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/chart-the-u-s-has-far-more-gun-related-killings-than-any-other-developed-country/

In the US, you need a gun to preemptively defend yourself against all the "active shooter scenarios". That's why everybody has a gun.

In the rest of the world, you just don't need to preemptively defend yourself against "active shooter scenarios" because the threat is purely academic.

The US has approximately the same gun-ownership-rates as Switzerland, the Czech Republic and Israel, but somehow only the US has a problem with gun-violence...

http://www.statista.com/statistics/248845/number-of-victims-of-mass-shootings-in-western-democratic-countries/
In a ranking of the worst mass-shootings from 1966-2012 in western democratic countries, the US has 4 contenders among the Top Ten. The US has 10 contenders among the Top Twenty.

Personal opinion:
I don't live in the US and I don't own a gun. I don't own a gun because gun-violence is rare as fuck in my country and purely by coincidence very few people own a gun in my country.
If I moved to the US, I would probably get a gun because you never know whether some random asshole will pull out a gun.
Then again, maybe it's better to live in a country where random assholes don't have guns.

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Those who would prefer as little active shooter scenarios as the rest of the world... (Original Post) DetlefK Jul 2015 OP

Why does that chart have that BIG Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #1

Because there is a civil war right now in Mexico. DetlefK Jul 2015 #8

There is not a civil war Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #11

Thanks anyway....I live in America where there is no gun violence. ileus Jul 2015 #2

"The US has approximately the same gun-ownership-rates as Switzerland, the Czech Republic and Israel Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #3

Switzerland has the same number of guns/people, safeinOhio Jul 2015 #4

Personally, I wish we would have the same national defense model as the Swiss. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #5

That was the original intent here too. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #6

They priobably don't have it as a protected right quite the same way as the US does. beevul Jul 2015 #12

As I recall, the Swiss can also buy handguns and "assault weapons" for personal use benEzra Jul 2015 #7

To say the problem is TeddyR Jul 2015 #9

The problem is not the amount of guns. The problem is the lack of hesitance to use guns. DetlefK Jul 2015 #10

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)

1. Why does that chart have that BIG

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:23 AM

Jul 2015

asterisk? Why would the purposely not include Mexico where guns are strictly regulated?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

8. Because there is a civil war right now in Mexico.

Reply to Duckhunter935 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:01 AM

Jul 2015

I doubt that the drug-cartels or corrupt cops or corrupt soldiers care about gun-regulations.

EDIT: The asterisk refers to the source mentioned in a tiny font at the bottom.

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)

11. There is not a civil war

Reply to DetlefK (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:14 AM

Jul 2015

that is just untrue. There is drug cartel violence using illegal weapons that kill a lot of people and that would skew what the people wanted that chart to show since guns are very tightly regulated in Mexico. You can say the same thing about the US drug wars and the number of killings due to that in certain areas of the USA.

ileus

(15,396 posts)

2. Thanks anyway....I live in America where there is no gun violence.

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:20 AM

Jul 2015

Well my section of America that is....but the good thing about America is we don't have to take chances like folks in other countries. We have individual rights.

Now that's progressive.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

3. "The US has approximately the same gun-ownership-rates as Switzerland, the Czech Republic and Israel

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:22 AM

Jul 2015

but somehow only the US has a problem with gun-violence...

Which seems to suggest guns aren't the issue.

Considering the rampage killers are, in a large part, looking for notoriety and infamy one could argue media sensationalism and political opportunism are more to blame than guns.

Please also note that your chart shows gun murders but what about murders overall? Did killers stop killing without the mind controlling influence exerted by guns or did they just move on to murder by other means?

Then again, maybe it's better to live in a country where random assholes don't have guns.

Sometimes the random a-holes get guns regardless, i.e. Tunisia. Sometimes they have commercial airliners, i.e. Germanwings.

safeinOhio

(32,715 posts)

4. Switzerland has the same number of guns/people,

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:52 AM

Jul 2015

and if we had the same gun laws they do we would have a much lower number of gun deaths.

Please google guns laws in Switzerland. Hey they even have full autos at home.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

5. Personally, I wish we would have the same national defense model as the Swiss.

Reply to safeinOhio (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:07 AM

Jul 2015

No MIC, re-purposed federal funding from the savings, no military adventurism and a defense model that brings people together as mutually supporting communities rather than drawing bright lines of distinction between them and their government.

But I'm told I'm just a crazy, naive anarchist so please disregard everything I just wrote as the ravings of a mad woman.

safeinOhio

(32,715 posts)

6. That was the original intent here too.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:34 AM

Jul 2015

But, I like the Swiss gun laws, registration and permit to purchase ammo with CCW issued with need. Registration and they never came to take away guns.

beevul

(12,194 posts)

12. They priobably don't have it as a protected right quite the same way as the US does.

Reply to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:58 AM

Jul 2015

They probably also don't have a 'racist billionaire funded' anti-gun lobby attacking gun ownership at every turn.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)

7. As I recall, the Swiss can also buy handguns and "assault weapons" for personal use

Reply to safeinOhio (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:10 PM

Jul 2015

unconnected with militia service. Only full autos are restricted to active/reserve military, though less tightly controlled than here (a Swiss citizen's military weapon can IIRC be converted to a semiauto civilian weapon upon retirement, and purchased).

Of course, the low Swiss homicide rate hasn't stopped the Swiss gun-control lobby from trying to ban more guns, anymore than it has in Australia (already banned pump-actions, now looking at banning lever-actions) and the UK.

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)

9. To say the problem is

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:25 AM

Jul 2015

"Guns" is simplistic and wrong, ignores the root causes of much of the violence in the U.S. (the war on drugs, poverty, poor educational standards, etc.) and insures that nothing will actually ever get done to reduce violence.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

10. The problem is not the amount of guns. The problem is the lack of hesitance to use guns.

Reply to TeddyR (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:33 AM

Jul 2015

Arguing about whether the amount of guns is too high or too low is pointless, as the statistics show.

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