Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumWould limiting gun ownership to non-powder weapons infringe on the 2nd Amendment?
http://www.gunpolicy.org/es/firearms/citation/quotes/8745
just us
(105 posts)How would that control anything?
hack89
(39,171 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
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self-defense) violate the Second Amendment.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Limiting ownership to non-powder weapons is not a ban on handguns.
hack89
(39,171 posts)from Heller. As you were saying?
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)until it is challenged and overturned, the suggested "solution" in your OP is unconstitutional.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)It is the wording that is "unconstitutional."
hack89
(39,171 posts)until the supreme court agrees with you, what you think about it is irrelevant.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...by law, existing Constitutional process and, until overturned by another SCOTUS ruling or superseded by a constitutional convention, defines "constitutional".
It does seem unlikely that any of the current five justices concurring on ALL aspects of this opinion are likely to, for one, be presented with another case that would reopen the issue and, for another, change their minds.
Accepting that as being reality, do you have a course in mind for dealing with that decision and its consequences other than waiting for a justice to die or retire?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The wording of the amendment is such that it ascribes the "right to keep and bear arms" to the people. It does not define "arms," nor does it create a differentiation between types of arms. While it does not employ the even broader term "weapons" (thus excluding such weapons that were not considered "arms" in the lexicon of the day, paving the way for restrictions on artillery, etc.), nothing in the language can be seen to exclude firearms. Infringing on the right to keep and bear some arms is still infringement.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)sarisataka
(18,770 posts)to only producing hard copy, printed documents infringe on the 1st Amendment?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...that restriction, if passed into law, would no doubt spur the development of liquid and gel type propellants that would have mostly the same effect in terms of energy delivered to the projectile.
The side effect of that would be new patents on the most efficacious material developed and likely leading to some of the 1%ers becoming richer and the average middle class firearm owner paying a few dollars more for ammo.
Another side effect would be underground production of powder fueled ammo and the black-market that goes with it. I don't see a good effect from giving criminals an incentive to try manufacturing explosives.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)After all, if it's not unlimited, then it should be as limited as possible, right? Just like in other areas of law and constitutional rights.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)relied upon for its more limited obligations in Article I and in 2A to provide for a "well-regulated militia." The militia in those day was considered well regulated when citizens reported (when called) with a firearm suitable for infantry application in proper working order, and with a knowledge as to how to use the arm. While air guns and other technologies were being developed at the time of the Constitution's writing, the well-regulated arm of the time was a firearm, not a knife, not a club, not an experimental non-"fire" weapon.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)So that means that the CPC would be able to eventually make them illegal.
Yeah, I see where you're going with your latest crap.
ileus
(15,396 posts)That's why it's so important that we remain progressive on the 2A...we can't let those that would rather us be victims win.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172172353#post9
"Non-powder" doesn't eliminate other chemicals.
For that matter there are many fine solid, non-powdered chemicals.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You sure you want to go down this road, bro?
That rifle pre-dates the constitution and is far more lethal to humans than 3/4s of my powder based firearms.
And while we're on the subject, would non-powder include lasers? I like lasers. I can build a mean rail gun too.