Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts) Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:10 PM Feb 2016

This Town Is Encouraging Teachers To Carry Guns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/teachers-guns-okay-oklahoma_us_56b50fcbe4b04f9b57d9a561?utm_hp_ref=gun-control

This Town Is Encouraging Teachers To Carry Guns. Here's Their Reasoning.
Do you feel safe yet?

A small rural town in Oklahoma has decided that the best way to prevent a hypothetical mass shooting at their schools is to arm teachers with guns.

"If a shooting situation were to happen, which we pray it never will, seconds matter," he said.

Along with having a concealed carry permit, teachers participating in the program must have a certificate from Oklahoma's Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, receive a psychiatric evaluation and take a shooting course three times a year.

Participating teachers must have their weapon on them or secured in a lockbox, according to the policy. The guns must be .45 caliber or less. And McMahan said they must be "name brand" guns.

Any thoughts?

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This Town Is Encouraging Teachers To Carry Guns. (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 OP

There would not have been much that could have motivated me... 3catwoman3 Feb 2016 #1

I'm in favor of home schooling remaining available as an option discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #2

And what if a teacher says "No, I don't want to?" bluestateguy Feb 2016 #3

I can't imagine teachers being required to carry... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #5

Actually, the OP's title is another false Narrative®... Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #19

I do not approve of armed teachers sarisataka Feb 2016 #4

I'm not specifically in favor either but agreed that the requirements look very strict n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #6

I actually favor this TeddyR Feb 2016 #7

I favor non-teaching staff be carrying discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #8

Yeah TeddyR Feb 2016 #9

My kids would stay at home until this right wing town came to its senses. (nt) stone space Feb 2016 #10

Seems that school district did come to it's senses. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #12

As a teacher... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #15

Well, maybe you'll get back to us in the future n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #16

Lots of problems with this bixente Feb 2016 #11

This would always be a concern with or without... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #14

Equally bixente Feb 2016 #17

As I mentioned, I prefer the teachers not be armed discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #18

It's hard to find a school that's proactive on security...good on them. ileus Feb 2016 #13

3catwoman3

(24,029 posts)

1. There would not have been much that could have motivated me...

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:14 PM

Feb 2016

...to home school our sons. This would have done it.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

2. I'm in favor of home schooling remaining available as an option

Reply to 3catwoman3 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:16 PM

Feb 2016

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)

3. And what if a teacher says "No, I don't want to?"

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:46 PM

Feb 2016

Is the district going to force him/her to carry?

I sense that that is what is coming in some Deep Red parts of the country.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

5. I can't imagine teachers being required to carry...

Reply to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:50 PM

Feb 2016

...any more than they should be "required" to teach certain religious ideas.

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

19. Actually, the OP's title is another false Narrative®...

Reply to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:54 PM

Feb 2016

I read Nothing which suggested encouragement; in fact, the requirements for carrying a weapon seem rather strict.

But Narratives® are just that: Give a one-liner that neutralizes the entire text. No one will notice.

sarisataka

(18,748 posts)

4. I do not approve of armed teachers

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:49 PM

Feb 2016

but I would be willing to bet a psycho will bypass this school.

I believe their requirements are stricter than most police departments:

Along with having a concealed carry permit, teachers participating in the program must have a certificate from Oklahoma's Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, receive a psychiatric evaluation and take a shooting course three times a year.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

6. I'm not specifically in favor either but agreed that the requirements look very strict n/t

Reply to sarisataka (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:52 PM

Feb 2016

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)

7. I actually favor this

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:56 PM

Feb 2016

Think it is a good idea, especially since the training requirements are pretty high. Don't think it should be required but should be optional.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

8. I favor non-teaching staff be carrying

Reply to TeddyR (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:20 PM

Feb 2016

My thought is deployment at 400 foot intervals with a mix of uniformed OC and plain clothes CC.

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)

9. Yeah

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:25 PM

Feb 2016

But the extra cost might be prohibitive. With teachers you are already paying

stone space

(6,498 posts)

10. My kids would stay at home until this right wing town came to its senses. (nt)

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:30 AM

Feb 2016

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)

12. Seems that school district did come to it's senses. eom.

Reply to stone space (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:01 AM

Feb 2016

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

15. As a teacher...

Reply to stone space (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:40 AM

Feb 2016

...have you met any other teachers you had concerns about that they would become violent towards a student?
Please see #11 in thread.

Thanks...

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

16. Well, maybe you'll get back to us in the future n/t

Reply to stone space (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:35 AM

Feb 2016

bixente

(486 posts)

11. Lots of problems with this

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:52 AM

Feb 2016

Kids can be really horrible, and provocative. Who knows, imagine if a student or a bunch of students got on the bad side of a particular teacher who happened to be carrying a firearm. Could end in disaster.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

14. This would always be a concern with or without...

Reply to bixente (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:39 AM

Feb 2016

...this town's program to encourage armed teachers.

I searched a bit and didn't find any articles about teachers that killed students, at least not in the US. I'm going to ask the teacher who replied in this thread if he knows or has met any other teachers who he considers potentially violent.

bixente

(486 posts)

17. Equally

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:40 AM

Feb 2016

it's also a concern as just as a teacher has the capability to use the firearm in whatever which way, a student or students could gang up on a teacher to steal the weapon.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)

18. As I mentioned, I prefer the teachers not be armed

Reply to bixente (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:56 AM

Feb 2016

I would like to see some staff armed and I like the idea of dedicated armed security as well as some non-teaching staff. Concealed carry would be my preference. I like the idea of having school police and/or having police stations or substations near or adjacent to schools, especially larger schools and middle/high schools.

Senior high schools with 18 year olds would need different strategies and different types of security measures than K-4 schools.

ileus

(15,396 posts)

13. It's hard to find a school that's proactive on security...good on them.

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:32 AM

Feb 2016

Most schools live by the "it's better to be a victim" motto.

It's sad when people are intimidated into being defenseless.

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