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Shouldn't This Be Two Different Groups? (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Feb 2016 OP
The group is about the right vs control issue n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #1
"Is their a pro gun group here that i'm missing?" pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #2
Giving the gun nuts their own group would just encourage them to spew RW opinion SecularMotion Feb 2016 #3
Self-defense is a basic human right. It's the candidate's responsibility to align with that fact. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #6
I expect Hillary Clinton will be our next President SecularMotion Feb 2016 #7
Okay, but as president she would still obligated to defend the Constitution, including the 2A Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #8
The 2nd Amendment is not unlimited SecularMotion Feb 2016 #9
I'm not aware of anyone petitioning to allow felons and those adjudicated mentally ill to own guns. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #10
They pretend to be the reasonable ones Press Virginia Feb 2016 #11
They should ask themselves why, if their cause is so noble, it has to hide behind lies. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #12
SM is too busy pretending we're Australia or Great Britian Press Virginia Feb 2016 #15
So the only solution is to ban guns altogether? SecularMotion Feb 2016 #13
Which gun restrictions would have prevented Press Virginia Feb 2016 #14
Americans who require 1A protections are an extreme minority but the 1A isn't about Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #16
Here's a tip on your "tipping point" discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #17
What on earth makes you think that the US will ever pass firearm laws similar to those TeddyR Feb 2016 #20
Maybe he's hoping for a "strong man" to come along and make the world right. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #21
Now that you mention it TeddyR Feb 2016 #22
They probably emerged from the same cloning vat. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #23
I infer this mischaracterization sums up your opinion of fellow DU members... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #18
There is a banner group, but this is as close as you get for progressive 2Aers ileus Feb 2016 #4
it is soooo busy there, lol Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #5
There is a group for the banners. linuxman Feb 2016 #19
Should "Of Mice and Men" be two different books? Movies? Plays? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #24

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
2. "Is their a pro gun group here that i'm missing?"
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:35 AM
Feb 2016

No, but given the fact that gun restriction has it's own protected group, RKBA supporting Dems should have one as well.

Perhaps some day it will happen.
 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. Giving the gun nuts their own group would just encourage them to spew RW opinion
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:25 AM
Feb 2016

I don't think DU should accommodate views on the gun issue that are more in line with Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
6. Self-defense is a basic human right. It's the candidate's responsibility to align with that fact.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:55 AM
Feb 2016

Unless you somehow think politics trumps human rights.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. Okay, but as president she would still obligated to defend the Constitution, including the 2A
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:18 AM
Feb 2016

and as a human being she's obligated to defend human rights.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
9. The 2nd Amendment is not unlimited
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:25 AM
Feb 2016
"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited...". It is "...not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."


"Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."


"We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those "in common use at the time". We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.' "


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172187099

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. I'm not aware of anyone petitioning to allow felons and those adjudicated mentally ill to own guns.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:29 AM
Feb 2016

But I see lots of Controllers trying to ban weapons in common use (a sentiment expressed by your avatar, for instance).

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
11. They pretend to be the reasonable ones
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016

while arguing against things no one is arguing for.

In the end, none...not a single one, of their "common sense" measures would have prevented the murders or crimes committed by people with guns. Sooner or later they will have to come clean and admit their "common sense" approaches are really about taking rights away from everyone

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
13. So the only solution is to ban guns altogether?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:00 AM
Feb 2016

Americans who exercise their right to bear arms are a minority in this country and the ones who don't understand the need for gun regulations are an even smaller minority.

When the United States passes laws with firearm restrictions like the UK and Australia, gun nuts will only have themselves to blame for not promoting responsible gun use and ownership.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
14. Which gun restrictions would have prevented
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

Any of the mass shootings or murders in the last 100 years?

You want the elimination of the 2A rights GUARANTEED in the constitution.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
16. Americans who require 1A protections are an extreme minority but the 1A isn't about
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

protecting speech that is popular.

Not that Controllers have much respect for the 1A, either (or the 4A or the 5A or any other right that proves inconvenient).

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
20. What on earth makes you think that the US will ever pass firearm laws similar to those
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

In the UK or Australia? Congress can't even pass UBCs, which have broad public support. There's very little support for any sort of handgun ban:

A Gallup poll released today shows that the vast majority of Americans do not believe that handgun ownership should be limited to “authorized” persons like police or other law enforcement officials.

Only 27% of Americans say they support this type of ban (with 72% opposing); additionally, 43% of Americans say they have a gun somewhere in the home, with 28% saying they own one personally.


According to the poll, a majority of Americans haven't favored a handgun ban since around 1968 or so.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/gallup-americans-dont-support-a-handgun-ban/

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
21. Maybe he's hoping for a "strong man" to come along and make the world right.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016


He looks kinda Putin-ish, doncha think?
 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
19. There is a group for the banners.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

It's pretty slow in the ol' hugbox of indignation these days, though.

This is the defacto pro-gun group, whether the pearl clutchers like it or not. If you ignore the drive-by spammings, it's actually pretty decent.

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