"Fernandez also explained that in order to avoid corruption and police who “cooperate with criminals” by selling them ammunition, a laser code will be put on each bullet in order to identify it in the case of a crime."



Will be interesting how that works out.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

I have been calling for the same thing in the States for a long time.

But in conjunction with shutting down manufacture and sale of guns and ammo here.

Let's wait and see what happens there first.

With 80 million gun owners, many of them former military, and a few hundred million firearms in private hands, who is going to go around collecting them?

A lot of keyboard commandos?

You're not the first poster here to propose that, just the most recent for now. All the others are long gone.

And apparently you think a lot of those gun owners would shoot people enforcing laws.

They ain't sounding law-abiding to me. Sounding more like potential armed terrorists.

Is this some form of English you are speaking?

...in the two years between congressional elections?


Because you know what will happen electorally, right?

He's a better idea. How about you don't make cops enforce stupid oppressive laws that have negative consequences? (I include pot in that category.)


Your logic is how the RW rationalizes hating terrorists.

"What? They're killing Americans in America? HOW DARE THEY! We did nothing to deserve this! BOMB THEM!

"I mean our support for their government is totally legal. It's not OUR problem if the government we support is a corrupt dictatorial theocracy, it's THEIR problem! Why should we get an ounce of backlash?

"And when we invaded them that one time... well, that was legal, too. We asked the UN and everything. If anything, they should blame their government, which made the invasion necessary!

"If they had overthrown the government, then we wouldn't be in the position we were in!

"Of course, if they had tried to overthrow their government, that would have been illegal... and we would have supported their government in enforcing their laws.

"But I don't understand why they would attack us!"

The police are unavailable during an emergency, so what's your solution to law-and-order? Band together in to a rival band of looters?

The principles of armed self-defense apply regardless of whether police response is 5 minutes away or 5 days away, because regardless of the delay in the authorities on the scene, there WILL an investigation of any major wrongdoings.

The only ones talking about national emergencies above us is you and I.

And I know you're getting all hot and excited at the thought of gun-owners getting killed by SWAT teams because they shot back at perceived violent home invaders when the cops smashed in their doors with a no-knock middle-of-the-night search warrant, but that's not a really likely scenario, now is it?

I find it far more likely that a lot of people hide some or all of their guns well before the cops show up. And they'll hide their guns outside, buried in the back yard or hidden in a nearby field or woods or whatever.

You know, where children and criminals might find them and use them.

Just turning off the spigot to any new stuff.

Attrition will take care of the present overabundance.

Otherwise, all your other suggestions are pointless....

who are suffering from chemotherapy are criminals too..not..they are innocent victims of prohibition laws supported by idiots

Oh, and the 'gun culture' doesn't give a rip about idiots who would squander freedom for nonexistent security..

the average pot smoker coke head is more responsible for "gun violence" than the NRA or Liberal Gun Club combined. Who do you think gives them the money to buy the guns?

Firstly, what do you mean by "the average pot smoker coke head"? That sounds pretty close to the average Californian.
I've met lots of pot smokers and coke users. None of them gun owners, as far as I know. Remember, pot and coke are still illegal, so having a gun would be really silly. Maybe some heavy duty dealers/importers have guns, but they are running criminal enterprises. The guns seem to circulate more in the "gang" world, where drugs of choice tend to be meth, or internationally with the Taliban who control the opium market. The US government supplies the motive (money) and the guns. So blaming the average pot smoker is ludicrous. The average pot smoker in California smokes locally grown, top quality, organic cannabis.

And an awful lot of those headless bodies down in Juarez and dead dealers in America are due to American pot culture.



I love your absolute submissiveness to the law. Doubtless you're for the imprisonment of sodomites and such in those states where it is still illegal.

and never hurt anyone??

That pot culture? (HINT: That culture is responsible for thousands upon thousands upon thousands of deaths)

Like methamphetamine precursor chemicals.

Like ammonia fertilizer in bomb making quantities.

Simple questions are asked regarding Who is getting it and for What verifiable purpose.

products to consumables with a shelf life...can you not see the simplicity of your argument?

Which other civil liberties do you wish to violate?

The presence of guns and ammo threatens to deprive you of ALL liberties, by murdering your deluded hide.

your argument is completely contrary to the facts. The 2nd amendment is very real, your meanderings OTOH are simply the your ideas not supported by anything, and according to 2 or 3 polls in GD, not supported by the masses at DU. What is deluded it the belief that, "The presence of guns and ammo threatens to deprive you of ALL liberties"...that there is delusional..The presence of demented, criminal minds threatens to deprive all of us of ALL liberties...nothing else..

Oh, and I noticed you failed to respond to your silly assertion that somehow all guns will disappear "through attrition" any time in the next 1,000 years..what a joke..

Besides:

Deluded = deceived.

Hide = informal for human skin.

A gentle attack at worst. Patting of a cheek to awaken the unconsious.

That, my friend, is batshit fucking crazy.

that you somehow need to reserve the "option" of going to war with your government.

And that the archaic 2A has any modern day relevance whatsoever to that quaint notion.

The Civil War settled the question, and not in favor of an armed populace.

The fact that government can't always be counted on to provide for security is more than enough justification for citizens having the right to keep and bear arms.

Your position is authoritarian, Loudly, whether you realize it or not. You also made a huge leap of an assumption about my attitudes without bothering to ASK me first.

Shame on you shares.

Not really. Just because it didn't work in one instance doesn't mean it can't.

Just look at Libya and Syria for the most recent examples. I'm sure you can find other historical examples to ignore at your peril.

they will all be rotten in a few years. BTW I have a 1911 built in 1915 which is still good for 100k more rounds. Such drivel..

Guns are surprisingly durable. I have several that are over a 100 years old I shoot regularly and one British made musket that was made over 200 years ago that is still shootable.

There is a cave on the farm that was mined for saltpeter for making gunpowder as far back as the War of 1812. Two hundred pounds of cave dirt still yield a pound of gunpowder. They gray flint common here does not last as long as the black flint the British Army used by it is plentiful.

As long as the use of fire is possible that 1750 vintage musket will remain operational with normal care.

Which I suspect is your real intention - Of course government employees would be allowed to have guns (they'd need them in order to enforce the ban on manufacturing,) so the result would be that only people with power would have guns.

Maybe sometime in the next century you might be proven right.

That still function as if they where new.. Matter of fact, most of my firearms date from the late 1800's till the 1960's and they all function just fine, and could be called upon to effectively defend life..

...Think again...

How do you propose, shutting ME down?? I also possess the knowledge to got the any grocery store, and buy super common household goods, to MAKE my ammunition with... I will pass on this knowledge to other, on sheer principle alone...A good friend of mine's brother, makes firearms in his garage, almost from scratch. It is perfectly legal for him to do so. How do you plan to stop this?

The knowledge is out their how do you propose "un-inventing" something?

You know I just thought of something, go ahead and ban ammunition... I could get filthy rich on my know how alone..

Hugo isn't well, wonder if he sees a succesion problem looming.

The interesting thing for me as an American is that there are people in this country who are itching to do the same kind of thing to their fellow citizens. This thread is chock full of them.

What is your first, gut feeling about the plans of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan federal government regarding Venezuela?

Which is well in excess of any "demonstrated need".

Pipe dream of anti-gun/gun-control advocacy is just that.

We should be just like Venezuela, huh?

I'll keep my gun collection until I die, or until I need to sell it off for money.

The disappearing Bill of Rights. Or in the case of Venezuela; Human Rights.

http://www.hrw.org/americas/venezuela

http://www.eluniversal.com/2011/04/01/human-rights-groups-report-serious-violations-in-venezuela.shtml

"There, a tyrannical government has killed an estimated 6,000 civilians in the last year, which a horrified world has been watching on TV."
http://www.eluniversal.com/opinion/120306/the-killing-fields


Venezuela; the next Libya or Egypt? Not if civilians are disarmed. Registration then confiscation, my prediction.

Forgive me if I find that quite difficult to believe.


You say:

they won't be doing it with "sporting guns".
I doubt there will be a revolution, but it looks like Chavez is no Allende as we have known him.

which is where that oddity in the 3rd paragraph comes from (and it does seem to be the official name for their military)...

Then force registration of all firearms. I kind of feel sorry for shop owners that will lose their income.

Round em all up at a later date.

Pretty methodical.

Lower crime? Any criminologist (not to be confused with Brady shills) would laugh in your face. But then, I tend to think the prohibition lobby really isn't concerned about violent crime as they are pushing a petty and narrow view of "civilized". which amounts to a form of cultural imprerialism.

Control? An unarmed population is easier to control.

Maybe the crime issues are out of control, and they blame the guns.

Like Chicago. Guns are impossible to own it seems, yet the crime is amazingly high. But, they keep pushing more control.

Don't know reasons why, but I venture to think my first idea is the reason. The last thing a dictator wants is an armed populace.

...it doesn't seem this measure really addresses that. Ok, shops have to turn in their inventories and civilians are encouraged to register the ones they already own. Some shops will probably unload as much inventory as possible knowing they have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting them back whatever the gov't promises. Most civilians will just keep theirs out of the registry and wait for this "year" to expire and see what happens. Be very interesting to keep note on how this progresses over the next few months.

Right here is why I will never register any firearms with any government.

Right here is the end-game that the gun-grabbers salivate over.

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...is about to blossom.



Edit: Looks like two things going on here.

Fernandez also explained that in order to avoid corruption and police who “cooperate with criminals” by selling them ammunition, a laser code will be put on each bullet in order to identify it in the case of a crime.

the crime being committed?