Gun Control & RKBA

AndyS

(14,559 posts) Tue Sep 19, 2023, 11:15 AM Sep 2023

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Last edited Tue Sep 19, 2023, 01:46 PM - Edit history (2)

At what point does a minor inconvenience in buying a gun outweigh the toll of guns everywhere. If a background check took 25 minutes instead of one and a half, would that inconvenience be enough to justify saving one life? If it took 3 days to pick up the gun you just qualified to buy would that be enough to justify saving just one life?

No one is asking people to not have guns or to give up their guns. We are asking how much inconvenience is reasonable to prevent non law abiding people from getting them. Instead of asking what we can do to reduce gun violence what if we asked the law abiding citizens what they will put up with in inconvenience to simply save one life, what would they answer?

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Cross post (Original Post) AndyS Sep 2023 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Sep 2023 #1

Thanks AndyS Sep 2023 #2

Exactly as much inconvenience as being able to vote or write a letter to the editor. The Mouth Sep 2023 #3

Not a fan of waiting periods TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #4

I'm not sure why I keep indulging you because you just seem to throw dust in the air AndyS Sep 2023 #5

You are the master of straw man arguments TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #14

It's been almost 24 hours and still not a peep in response. AndyS Sep 2023 #13

If a delay in picking up a weapon for self defense resulted in the murder of said person, yagotme Sep 2023 #6

Of course that is heart-wrenching testimony from the grieving mother SYFROYH Sep 2023 #7

There is no point in responding to this post. AndyS Sep 2023 #8

So you have nothing. SYFROYH Sep 2023 #9

No, I made an OP that asked a specific question which went ignored. AndyS Sep 2023 #10

That may be because your question doesn't seem to have anything to do with the video. SYFROYH Sep 2023 #11

Nice dodge but you now have the opportunity to answer the question I posed in the OP. AndyS Sep 2023 #12

Your question was answered TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #15

It was dodged. nt AndyS Sep 2023 #16

Response to AndyS (Original post)

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AndyS

(14,559 posts)

2. Thanks

Reply to sl8 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 19, 2023, 01:44 PM

Sep 2023

The Mouth

(3,150 posts)

3. Exactly as much inconvenience as being able to vote or write a letter to the editor.

Reply to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2023, 03:23 PM

Sep 2023

or exercising any other Constitutional right.

TexasDem69

(1,789 posts)

4. Not a fan of waiting periods

Reply to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2023, 10:01 PM

Sep 2023

I don’t know why someone wants to purchase a firearm or why they should be subjected to some random period before being able to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear firearms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Carol_Bowne

AndyS

(14,559 posts)

5. I'm not sure why I keep indulging you because you just seem to throw dust in the air

Reply to TexasDem69 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 19, 2023, 10:18 PM

Sep 2023

and then disappear, but here goes.

Waiting periods greatly curtail gun trafficking. Gun trafficking is major source of crime guns. Crime guns do more damage than the occasional anecdote about coulda' shoulda' woulda' had a gun RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

Your "constitutional right" is NOT unlimited.

TexasDem69

(1,789 posts)

14. You are the master of straw man arguments

Reply to AndyS (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 08:36 PM

Sep 2023

I’ve never once claimed that the 2d Amendment protects an “unlimited” right to keep and bear firearms. Waiting periods harm those who want to exercise their constitutional rights while doing nothing to “curtail gun trafficking.” Do you really think that waiting three days to purchase a gun deters the gun trafficker? Just admit you want to eliminate the right to keep and bear arms and confiscate all private firearms. Everyone who follows your posts knows that is your position.

I’m not sure what “crime guns” are, but criminals are the problem, whether they use guns, knives or fists.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)

13. It's been almost 24 hours and still not a peep in response.

Reply to TexasDem69 (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 08:23 PM

Sep 2023

Drive by poster. Never add anything if you can avoid it. Make noise and obfuscate.

yagotme

(2,919 posts)

6. If a delay in picking up a weapon for self defense resulted in the murder of said person,

Reply to AndyS (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 09:56 AM

Sep 2023

would that inconvenience be enough to strike down waiting periods?

"would that inconvenience be enough to justify saving one life?"

"No one is asking people to not have guns or to give up their guns."

Wrong. So wrong. Many individuals/groups are calling for the ban of most/all firearms. Including those elected to office in our own party. "Turn them in, America."

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)

7. Of course that is heart-wrenching testimony from the grieving mother

Reply to AndyS (Original post)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 11:05 AM

Sep 2023

But can you explain how a 25 min background check instead of 1 1/2 min check would have prevented this shooting? Or even how a 3-day waiting period would have prevented this shooting?

Also, you wrote, "No one is asking people to not have guns or to give up their guns." This is not true.

But maybe if people stopped talking about forced "buybacks" and gun bans of some guns, we could meet in the middle and lessen the gun violence rate.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)

8. There is no point in responding to this post.

Reply to SYFROYH (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 11:34 AM

Sep 2023

Which is why some people want to FORCE soulutions on to those who refuse to see a problem much less a solution to it.

And we eventually will.

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)

9. So you have nothing.

Reply to AndyS (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 12:20 PM

Sep 2023

You made the OP and when asked questions to clarify your editorializing you get defensive and won't respond.

This is why you fail more than succeed.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)

10. No, I made an OP that asked a specific question which went ignored.

Reply to SYFROYH (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 01:36 PM

Sep 2023

Instead of a response to a simple question I got a load of gun culture 'splaining.

"How will your _________ prevent this one specific homicide." Instead of answering the central question of how much inconvenience one life is worth.

It's not me that has nothing, Sy.

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)

11. That may be because your question doesn't seem to have anything to do with the video.

Reply to AndyS (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 20, 2023, 03:06 PM

Sep 2023

Usually, people post things in OP that are relevant to one another.

Also, when you make the claim, "No one is asking people to not have guns or to give up their guns,", then it's difficult to take you seriously. I know you know better than to make such a claim.

So with that said, I'll answer your question. Gun buyers can be inconvenienced to save lives. There is already a process that is inconvenient if you will.