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beevul

(12,194 posts)
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 01:56 PM Mar 2012

'Fast and Furious' probe: Chief suspect released more than once

'Fast and Furious' probe: Chief suspect released more than once


By Richard A. Serrano

March 22, 2012, 12:12 p.m.


Reporting from Washington— Manuel Celis-Acosta, the chief suspect in the ATF’s "Fast and Furious" investigation who was caught but released at the U.S.-Mexico border in May 2010, was also stopped and released two months earlier while in possession of a Colt .38-caliber pistol purchased illegally under the gun-tracking operation.

The revelation that officials twice declined to arrest their prime suspect shows that agents were keenly aware of Celis-Acosta’s activities yet repeatedly turned down opportunities to charge him with felony offenses and bring a quick end to the Fast and Furious probe. Instead, the investigation dragged on for months more, with the loss of about 1,700 U.S. firearms on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border.

The new disclosure was highlighted in a letter Thursday to Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr., as the two top congressional investigators on Fast and Furious demanded answers as to why Celis-Acosta was twice permitted to dodge arrest. It was sent by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Fast and Furious was launched Oct. 31, 2009, and ran until a month after a U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed in December 2010. Two Fast and Furious assault weapons were recovered after his slaying near the border.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-fast-furious-celis-acosta-20120322%2c0%2c7732026.story

Just a botched sting, though, I'm sure.

And yeah, I know, that "right wing" LA times is at it again...

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'Fast and Furious' probe: Chief suspect released more than once (Original Post) beevul Mar 2012 OP
Kicked Oneka Mar 2012 #1
I really dislike conspiracy theories... sarisataka Mar 2012 #2
With the number at 2000 weapons that were sold burf Mar 2012 #3
I tend to agree with you about conspiracy theories. For most of these conspiracies (right or left) razorman Apr 2012 #6
You misunderstand, that *proves* it was working petronius Mar 2012 #4
That brings up a question. burf Mar 2012 #5
Ooowwwww! Coffee... up nose.... oooowwwww.....!!!!! n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #7

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
2. I really dislike conspiracy theories...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:53 AM
Mar 2012

especially when the government is involved. The usual explanation is simply bureaucratic stupidity.

The gross incompetence in f&f however is mind boggling.

Did the BATFE actually allow 2000 weapons (give or take) to be illegally sold,forget to track them,forget to tell their office where they knew the weapons were going, THEN misplace who actually authorized this Charlie Foxtrot?
And nobody thought to tell the AG?

But they sure remembered it for Demand Letter 3.

Please explain, I don't want to wear the hat again


P.S. Don't tell me Bush did it; he also created fecal material so he could invade Iraq. Should we do that again too?

burf

(1,164 posts)
3. With the number at 2000 weapons that were sold
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:01 AM
Mar 2012

that were later smuggled into Mexico, F&F seems to be a lot bigger than the small scale operation some here would like us to believe it was.

I would still like to see an inventory and report on the number of guns that went south in the State Department authorized sales. I would guess maybe a fraction of the original inventory is left in the hands of the Mexican Army and LE .

razorman

(1,644 posts)
6. I tend to agree with you about conspiracy theories. For most of these conspiracies (right or left)
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:50 AM
Apr 2012

to be possible, the conspirators would have to be of superhuman intelligence and will. I have seen very little evidence that are many superbeings in public life, especially government. That being said, "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean the world's not out to get you."

petronius

(26,603 posts)
4. You misunderstand, that *proves* it was working
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:16 AM
Mar 2012

Any operation can catch a big fish once, but to do it twice requires a top-notch law enforcement program...

burf

(1,164 posts)
5. That brings up a question.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:21 AM
Mar 2012

If they threw them back, were they really big fish, or has Holder's DOJ resorted to "catch and release" law enforcement?

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